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Why do some people think Trump is a good man?

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Lyannaa · 16/11/2024 19:28

There are a lot of people, even in the UK who act like you have offended their mum or dad if you point out what an awful person he clearly is. Even his own family don't like him and plenty of people have said how his relationships with his own children are merely transactional.

If people like him, is it because they are fascists themselves deep down? Or is it some type of mass hysteria?

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Lyannaa · 24/11/2024 19:20

Anyone who repeatedly uses the acronym MSM usually spends a large amount of their free time engaging with alternative right 'truther' sites which beg for donations at the bottom and talk about chemtrails and adrenochrome. I'm afraid my brain switches off when I hear it.

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FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:20

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:18

I doubt I could pursade someone so enamoured with Trump that they believe every utterance and dismiss his serious midemenours.

He's a pathological liar and has been accused of rape which is apparently disrespectful.

You could at least try.
Or have we learnt nothing from Brexit and subsequent elections?

user1471453601 · 24/11/2024 19:24

Frightened people, and there is a lot to be frightened about right now, sometimes cling to someone who they perceive as strong. Some people think that man is strong (iknow, I know, he is weak and shallow, but some people take others at the perception the other has of themselves).

So I guess it's a mixture of fear and a lack of critical thinking that leads people to support that man.

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:24

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:20

You could at least try.
Or have we learnt nothing from Brexit and subsequent elections?

Why waste my time? The election is over. The proof will be in the circus.

SallyWD · 24/11/2024 19:28

Usinlimbo · 24/11/2024 18:39

I live in the US in a blue state. I'm british, just back here on holiday. I hated trump until around a year ago, when due to various things I realized like many Americans that most of msm has lied about him.

He is a family man, businessman, and successful enough that he doesn't need bribes to get in office. The democrats are truly awful. They have taken all family values down, stripped away many protections for us citizens while creating sanctuary cities to boost voter numbers. These sanctuary cities have cost billions and made life dirty and dangerous.

Most Democrat politicians seem to become enormously wealthy on modest salaries.

Trump raised /donated millions to those in crisis, has always supported black organizations quietly, without 'trumpeting' about it, and is promising amazing things for America.

Health reform with removal of additives in our food, prosecution and radical punishment for child molesters and human traffickers, deportation of criminals and illegals, going after corruption in the sec and other trading crimes, making life more affordable with no tax on ss for seniors or overtime, cutting down waste and beurocracy (40B on internet with not a single connection) etc etc.

Also he is not a war monger. If even a few of these things are improved I will be happy.

Remember he had 90% negative press while dems had 70% positive.

He won because he has an answer for everything while kamala couldn't give a coherent answer for almost anything and the few things she did promise were going to cost Americans a lot of money; the last straw for many.

I know msm misled the Public and lied so much that no one can believe he won but his was a grassroots campaign that only cost 300m because he didn't pay for supporters and most of his successful adverts were just reposting the democrats promises (they were that awful). She, on the other hand, blew $1.1B, bussing supporters from city to city, on billboards and celebrity endorsements (10m to Beyonce?) and her promises were awful.

Liken it to the petition for a general election to replace starmer which has amassed 1.2m signatures in 24 hours. People hate the democrats for what they have done over the last 4 years. The unhappiness with the democrats forced people like me to realise that trumps way is better.

Once you see past the msm lies and that his way is better, you are then more likely to see proof of all the positive things he has done, and wow, they are legion.

The lawfare against him was also ridiculous. I'm sure he was a little misogynistic and not the most respectful young man but that goes for 70 to 80 % of men. The rape charges against him were laughable (e jean). He is probably not the most virile man in the world now at age 78 and won't be skirt chasing. He has a focus to make everything better for his legacy. He's not going to seek reelection so is more driven to make a mark.

He is also probably our best hope of stopping ww3. Surely you want to live without threat of being nuked?

I don't base my opinion on Trump on what's said in the MSM. I base it on things he's actually said. Footage of him mocking a disabled journalist, saying he'd be dating his daughter if she wasn't his daughter, saying many white supremacists are very fine people, banning Muslims from entering the country, inciting a riot, denying the climate crisis. The list is endless. Everything he says, everything he stands for, is repellent to me.

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:32

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:24

Why waste my time? The election is over. The proof will be in the circus.

Because in four years time, the population gets to choose again.
It won't be trump, but if you spend the next four years calling them whatever names you like, then you are not going to be voice that is listened to.
Look at all the 'what good a brexit done' threads, and see that they are just an echo chamber.
Many will say that its because nothing good has come from brexit, anyone with an ounce of sense will tell you that the brexiters CBA to engage as they already now (or think that they know) what response they will get.

Alphaalga · 24/11/2024 19:35

People who source their opinions from liars in politics, liars in the media and liars all over the internet can be made to believe anything... and then to deny reality when it's telling them they've been duped.

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:38

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:32

Because in four years time, the population gets to choose again.
It won't be trump, but if you spend the next four years calling them whatever names you like, then you are not going to be voice that is listened to.
Look at all the 'what good a brexit done' threads, and see that they are just an echo chamber.
Many will say that its because nothing good has come from brexit, anyone with an ounce of sense will tell you that the brexiters CBA to engage as they already now (or think that they know) what response they will get.

I haven't called anyone names. I have engaged on this thread and others talking about the policies Trump wants to implement.

I'm happy to debate with people who are arguing in good faith. I'm cognizant of why many voted for Trump (and Brexit).

I don't really have time for someone who brushes off criminal charges including sexual assault as 'disrespectful'. Claiming that he's too old to rape now anyway. Who seems to believe everything he says without question, despite evidence to the contrary.

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:42

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:38

I haven't called anyone names. I have engaged on this thread and others talking about the policies Trump wants to implement.

I'm happy to debate with people who are arguing in good faith. I'm cognizant of why many voted for Trump (and Brexit).

I don't really have time for someone who brushes off criminal charges including sexual assault as 'disrespectful'. Claiming that he's too old to rape now anyway. Who seems to believe everything he says without question, despite evidence to the contrary.

I am talking more generally when talking about name calling, it isn't you but it is on the thread.

I don't really have time for someone who brushes off criminal charges including sexual assault as 'disrespectful'. Claiming that he's too old to rape now anyway. Who seems to believe everything he says without question, despite evidence to the contrary.

I wouldn't have voted for trump for the same reasons, but I also wouldn't have voted for harris.

I would much prefer the politicians to argue about their politics and policies. but whether UK or USA this seems to be disappearing in to the past and it doesn't help that they call all make up whatever shit they like for their manifestoes and then just not bother with them.

username358 · 24/11/2024 20:00

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 19:42

I am talking more generally when talking about name calling, it isn't you but it is on the thread.

I don't really have time for someone who brushes off criminal charges including sexual assault as 'disrespectful'. Claiming that he's too old to rape now anyway. Who seems to believe everything he says without question, despite evidence to the contrary.

I wouldn't have voted for trump for the same reasons, but I also wouldn't have voted for harris.

I would much prefer the politicians to argue about their politics and policies. but whether UK or USA this seems to be disappearing in to the past and it doesn't help that they call all make up whatever shit they like for their manifestoes and then just not bother with them.

There's definitely a contagion, of people in silos, arguing with their fingers in their ears.

For example, the Democrats pressed on with their gender ideology despite people's protestations. Many people are deeply uncomfortable with it and they didn't listen.

Many Democratic voters were angry at Biden supplying arms to Israel and he just dug his heels in.

All Western countries have a problem with immigration and Biden didn't do anything during his tenure to address that. And like other parties, the Democrats take care of their donors.

Part of the problem is people living on their mobile phones reading extreme views and becoming indoctrinated. Some of the stuff I've read on MN has been hair raising and my Twitter feed is full of bile. It's hate, not reasoned opinions. It's very difficult to engage with.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 24/11/2024 20:09

@Usinlimbo and @FrippEnos

Limbo 's post is so full of factual inaccuracies that it's difficult to know where to begin. But just because it's been so widely documented, he's discriminated against Black people, denying them tenancies in his properties. Just because Fripp thinks the lies are true, or just wants them to be true, it doesn't mean they are not downright lies.

I find the this thread and so many about Trump utterly bizarre. Someone posts a series of lies and then like minded posters just pile on saying how it's the truth. Presumably we're working on the old, a lie that's said a thousand times becomes the truth.

Just stop lying. If you want to support a child molesting, sexual deviant, misogynist, white supremacist, insurrectionist who is frankly self serving and lacking in basic understanding of many things , go for your life. But stop with the faux outrage when others call this 'thick as mince' leader out for what he is.

I'm totally with the poster that mentioned Kool Aid. There must be something in the water that Limbo and Fripp are drinking.

FrippEnos · 24/11/2024 20:22

TankFlyBossW4lk

It is a shame that you continued with your insults yet didn't read my next post.
Reading my next post may have saved you the indignity of posting drivel about me supporting trump.

But you do you.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 24/11/2024 20:40

Oh Fripp. It's not drivel , it's the truth. Hard to hear the truth being spoken about your idol ? Sorry if it hurts.

swimsong · 24/11/2024 22:56

username358 · 24/11/2024 19:09

Is Kool Aid sugar free now?

I think GOPHQ has entered the chat.

They don't realise that we can actually see his gibbering loony tantrum-prone speeches over here, we don't need it mediated. We know that Dirty Donald only cares about himself because that's pretty much all he talks about. That post would be comical if it wasn't so sad that someone can actually believe all that crap.

Usinlimbo · 24/11/2024 23:06

I think I answered the original question of why some people like trump. Sorry for those of you who feel another way. Many people are feeling very positive for the first time in ages.

I hope you all get to see that this is a good thing for all of us. Good luck all!

Notaflippinclue · 24/11/2024 23:14

78 million people voted for Trump - the Democrats have made a feckin mess over the last 4 years so looking at Team Trump now I would think those 78 million are grinning all over their faces - and jolly good luck to em, what happens in the US usually trickles over here and I can't bloody wait

username358 · 24/11/2024 23:15

Notaflippinclue · 24/11/2024 23:14

78 million people voted for Trump - the Democrats have made a feckin mess over the last 4 years so looking at Team Trump now I would think those 78 million are grinning all over their faces - and jolly good luck to em, what happens in the US usually trickles over here and I can't bloody wait

What is it you can't wait for?

Notaflippinclue · 24/11/2024 23:48

Return to free speech (the world is laughing at our hate speech laws)
End of the whole woke nonsense - sex is binary
Firm up the borders and deport foreign criminals - out with the ECHR
More support for British companies
Just a few for now

Isatis · 25/11/2024 00:02

Notaflippinclue · 24/11/2024 23:48

Return to free speech (the world is laughing at our hate speech laws)
End of the whole woke nonsense - sex is binary
Firm up the borders and deport foreign criminals - out with the ECHR
More support for British companies
Just a few for now

The world isn't laughing at our laws, in fact many people envy them.

We do deport foreign criminals.

Which human rights do you want to do without?

FrippEnos · 25/11/2024 00:04

TankFlyBossW4lk · 24/11/2024 20:40

Oh Fripp. It's not drivel , it's the truth. Hard to hear the truth being spoken about your idol ? Sorry if it hurts.

Again read what I wrote, but that seems to be beyond your capabilities.
But at least you are proving my point that some people don't want to change people's views, just push their BS on to them.

But I will let you get back to your baiting.

username358 · 25/11/2024 00:15

Notaflippinclue · 24/11/2024 23:48

Return to free speech (the world is laughing at our hate speech laws)
End of the whole woke nonsense - sex is binary
Firm up the borders and deport foreign criminals - out with the ECHR
More support for British companies
Just a few for now

You want to get rid off hate speech laws and human rights.

More support for British companies to do what? Do you want to get rid off statutory rights as well?

There are plenty of countries that don't have human rights and where you're free to incite as much hate as you can muster. Have you thought about moving?

GoodGollyMsMolly · 25/11/2024 00:42

I never like Trump but I'm glad he won because the pendulum has swung so far to the left to the realm of insanity for example with gender ideology that the Democrats have been peddling that I hope him winning will bring some balance.

Lyannaa · 25/11/2024 04:09

Balance, yes. I'm sure that can be achieved with Trump having surrounded himself with a bunch of clowns who have no business working in politics(!)

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RingoJuice · 25/11/2024 04:32

SallyWD · 24/11/2024 19:28

I don't base my opinion on Trump on what's said in the MSM. I base it on things he's actually said. Footage of him mocking a disabled journalist, saying he'd be dating his daughter if she wasn't his daughter, saying many white supremacists are very fine people, banning Muslims from entering the country, inciting a riot, denying the climate crisis. The list is endless. Everything he says, everything he stands for, is repellent to me.

He never called white supremacists very fine people, there was never a Muslim ban, he didn’t incite a riot, denying the climate ‘crisis’ is a good thing tbh

SallyWD · 25/11/2024 07:24

RingoJuice · 25/11/2024 04:32

He never called white supremacists very fine people, there was never a Muslim ban, he didn’t incite a riot, denying the climate ‘crisis’ is a good thing tbh

Erm, why are you denying these facts? If you're going to support him, at least be aware of who he is.

There was a Muslim ban: www.amnesty.org.uk/licence-discriminate-trumps-muslim-refugee-ban

He did say there were very fine people amongst the white supremacists: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

We all know what happened with the riot.

You're wrong about climate change.