Spirituality , ESP , telepathy, spirit world part 2

[melsy]

Thought I would start fresh today as other thread was getting long. Some really great stuff was spoken about last night , it would be good to continue it. Know one is crazeee here , open mind required !!!

its a term of endearment i use for myself and my closest of friends when we go a bit of the wall!

Sibble

I sent u an email ... maybe u are like me with a hotmail or something a rather and it went into junk mail...

aboard explanations there!

Upon reading your post Stace about Shamans etc... I think I mentioned in another thread that I used to use Medicine cards alot - i still have them but they are resting now.

I studied ethnobotany, human ecology, ecophysology at uni and was really into Wilderness Spirituality, Shamans and the systems of beliefs humans persue. From what I have read Shamans frequently encourage an altered state of mind either naturally or from using a mind altering substance when going on journeys

Linkng this to the Kundalini and that people experience discomfort or panic. Perhaps like you said Sibble the feeling of loosing control and entering a new unknown space - that I think can be pretty expansive and exploratory if you feel comfortable with it - is something that in reality many people do not have so much experience with and therefore feel understandably anxious. :?:

When I do meditations if I feel that my mind is wandering too much I concentrate on my body and explore mentally each area... like a yoga meditation ... making areas feel soft, heavy, light - whatever feels good to me... then a visualisation can come over me without any preconceived idea started. I used to go to a cave quite abit.

I could write for ages here!!

I had a visualisation at the conception of our dd - in short I visited dolphins who gave me a baby... It was a very amazing experience. I also have a strong connection with the dolphin in my Medicine cards and another story there - but this is getting long - another time perhaps. I think dolphins are wonderful creatures.. but am not a great sea person... non water signs dominate most of my birth chart !!

Papillon, i admire your efforts into exploring all this stuff. For some reason i just never seem to stay with it (i kind of put it down to my destiny at the moment, its just that moment lasts a long while till the next time).

Dolphins and in particular water have been big for me too, i used to love water and was an avid scuba diver then i lost my bottle and havent dived for years. I also worked as a volunteer for a dolphon reasearch project some years ago at the University of Hawaii, that was incredible Hawaii is a very spiritual place.

I sometimes think i would like to really give up on stereotypical life and go find my true spiritual destiny and at other times i think my searching is just my healing destiny IYKWIM!

Tell me more about you studies and own opinions and about the medicine cards if like, i would love to hear about it all!

Hi Stace

I have never swum with dolphins... was alittle tempted after such a strong and vivid visualisation (almost reluctant to call it that - cause it came to me unbidden..) Is there another name for these things?

I feel they like to communicate with me out of the water!!

and I sometimes feel they like their peace - wot did u feel /think from the research project u were involved in Stace?

Stace IKWYM about totesterony, I used to work in a very male dominated enviroment. My dh said I was becoming very aggressive and hard , thats why I left buying and persued my designing path.

If I did experienece a Kundalini / Krya when having my first panic attack it was very very disturbing. My whole body jerked around and I lost motor function and couldnt speak. I now have a stutter when stressed or tired. The simplest and scientific explanantion was alcolosis brought on by prolonged hyperventilation that I suffered for what seemed like an hour.

Juniper I am on citalopram 30mg but I am still having panic attacks. I think I may have written the last experience out for my homework for my hypnotherapist last week. I may post it here as it felt like an out of body experience this time.

Stace I cant remember about my Arizona writing , but I will have as search. I love Arizona & find Sedona to be very special too me. I saw a physhcic there and he told me I am an old sage , with shamanitistic past and a link to native americans & South West. He said I will be a healer / teacher in the future. He even talked about my PORTFOLIO of work and presenations I was going to do following my trip to Arizona. He was spot on , as I got a design job just before I left to do with American arts & crafts & I was meant to be going to Frank Lloyd wrights house/ school in Scottsdale, The founder of american arts & crafts . so that was AMAZING!!!!He taoed it all for me so I must listen to it again . He spoke of Chairon also ???

Papillon , I am sure you may have thought of the Dolphins being part of a past life??

Everyone has such beatiful and wonderful minds , this is a joy to read every day. I am soo pleased to discuss this with kindred spirits. We must have been together before like this.

This was meant to read "He taped it all for me" BTW !!
Wow what amazing experiences you have all had, what a great joining of minds!! This is really making my creativeness flow out. I hope everyone is feeling it???

Papillon,

unbidden? gonna think about that but i know what you mean Dolphins - like most creatures i completely agree with that like humans they deserve there peace, space and tranquility. At the university we did not swim with them or even enter the tanks, there were a very few that worked full time and had built up very strong relationships with them that occasionally did enter their space(apart from obviously the medical checks etc) it was a research project that ran for many many years there and the main aims were (if i remember correctly!) to rescue hurt dolphins, heal them and conduct research on them into their intelligence, linguistics, spatial awareness, etc etc but then wereever possible to release them back to the wild. They were very well cared for, however i did witness one attack another student who p*ed him off, it was pleasant if you can imagine pulling your arm through the jaws of a dolphin, no real damage and really was a warning on the part of the dolphin. I taught me to have enormous respect for them and also allowed me to connect with the more spiritual side of myself.

How did you get into the shamanic stuff?

Morning Melsy ...How u feeling?

Never thought that dophins were in my past life... had a woman talk about my pl once.. I was always human...

I think my dd was a cat in her past life... to listen to her she sometimes sounds like a cat!!

Melsy, i do know what you mean about the warmth of sharing this stuff it definetly makes me feel more connected to that side of me i dont actually have any friends any longer that are (or admit/talk about) spiritual stuff) so think i am just realising how much i miss it.

What is CHAIRON???

Your experience sounded awful/scary or did i read it wrong? Also dont take it the wrong way but if the citalopram isnt controlling the panic attacks perhaps its the wrong drug or dose?

I was on citalopram for about 18months - 2 years and have to say that it stiffled my creativity infact for me it stiffled everything, but then again i think thats what was need for me at the time!! So really good that its not surpressing that side melsy! How come youre into hypnotherapy is it because of the panic attacks or other stuff ?

Fell free to tell me to p* off (email me privately if you like) Dont mean to be intrusive just really curious and feeling connected??? (((())))

Not intrusive at all Stace ,I am fairly open about my experieneces. To the point were my hynotherapist has asked me not to share my last treatment on here!!! Yes it is for the panic attacks , I have had a severe anxiety disorder. No you didnt read it wrong. I wrote about it on here on another thread, as I was in a state. They put me on Diazapam for 5 days after an ambulance trip to phsychiatric unit. I dont wnat to talk too much about it today though, as would rather talk about the spiritual loving stuff as I am a bit tender at the moment. Stace I would like to talk to you about it more another day perhaps?? Oh my god I have never done that before , showed my boundaries before I mean. I hope I am not being to closed off. My word I can feel me moving on. My hypnotherapist work has been truely transformative .This is a testament to that. Sorry, having a revelation of my capabilties. This so helping talking on here this morning as I have homework to do in this vain for my session on Monday.

Morning Papillon , I dont think we can be anything other than humans in a past life, I read animals have a very different spirit energy. I was thinking more that you may have been or done something with them may be ???? have a think and a feel around. God I hope that doesnt sound
bossy!!!!

bossy britches... never!! Nothing wrong with giving info and advice.

Big kiss for u today.

I had a down time in my life and I went to a Naturopath who gave me a herbal conccotion to drink. A friend had a drink of it and she said it was very fun and wanted to more ... a mild acid trip she said!! So had to hide it from her

unbidden

yes wondered if it was a word! ha ha
to bid
not to bid
that was my question

i hope u all do not mind me being tooo cheerful
i am the saucy spirit!!

:0 You sound like me melsy also been accused of being to open and not setting boundaries well done!!! Whenever you want to let me know but also get a sense that you are enjoying alot of your journey right now, revelations and growth and all that !!! Hope im right and look forward to more great sharings on this really interesting thread.

cheerful is great, keep it all up and let me know where to get the elixir from !!!

We could all use it soimetimes

Go to a Naturopath...
although in some health food shops they may have herbal pick me ups...

Really interested in what u said about dolphins Stace... I really feel said for the ones who are used as tourist attractions in water parks or in the wild....

Great affirmations thank you. WOWEEEEEEE!!! You are soo right I am enjoying my journey, they say you learn a lot through pain and negativity.

Im the bossy know it all spirit!!!!!!!!!I think its the leo in me.Although I would like a nicer endearment!!! What are u Stace???? Its like our very own spice girls , except we are the spirit girls. May be we should call our next thread that, but dont want to be cliquey as we must invite whoever wants to come in.Rule is though they have to have an open mind !! There i am being bossy again!!

I have now found out from the doctor , I have a bad case of Virtigo and I have to go to a ENT specialist. Ive booked a HOPI ear candle treatment for the 1st time. I have it today at 12:00 , as I dont want my ears syringed NO THANK YOU. I told the doc thatyesterday. I was very assertive and proud of myself.

This is who I saw in sedona ray of sedona . Very cheesy I know , but he said some great stuff, I wrote it all down and also a book he suggested I get by a Barabara han Cloud or something , cant remember. She discussed Chairon, I am just doing a search on it, as I must have dismissed or put aside that part as I dont remember much.

Boundaries are a good... I have never been super good at those either... gettting better with practise...
Also I am a very open, honest person... So great to be getting to know u all and that we are all open and willing to talk!!

great book to read
Intimate History
of Humanity by Theodore Zeldin

here is a quote from him...

Conversation is a meeting of minds with different memories and habits. When minds meet, they don't just exchange facts: they transform them, reshape them, draw different implications from them, engage in new trains of thought. Conversation doesn't just reshuffle the cards: it creates new cards.
very appropriate don´t u think!!

Way to go girl!!!!!!!

Must go and get brekky , need to finish my homework & then get ready to go out. I have really enjoyed this morning. Lets catch up very soon.

I will post back later if i find the Chairon thing, now Im curious why i dint pay attention to it.

melsy xxx

Great talk later
(I have been hanging around... hub at work this morning ...)

have a good time with the HOPI thing... sounds facinating!!

xx

Papillion yeah i agree about the ones in the parks but i guess they have a good life too in their own ways. I have a friend who feels so strongly about it all that she wont take her kids to the zoo or anything like that somehow i feel that that is depriving the kids of learning so much too! What do you think?

That quote was so so so right and i am almost inclined to post it on a couple of threads that have gone a bit wrong here but i wont, im gonna get that book and read some more?

Melsy guess what im a leo too. I did the hopi thing at home last year when i had a bad flu thing it was really wierd but quite relaxing and definetly shifted stuff too!!! Hope you enjoyed it!!! The Nat Amer Indians used the hopi first i think and still do i think!!

Funny how things stick in your mind to have to come back to them later isnt it! I think that i have often been haunted by particular books in bookstores and i often avoid them and eventually when i take a deep breath and buy them and read them i understand why, does anyone else have this happen to them???

The Intimate History of Humanity is the most amazing book.
That is what it is really about and looks at the measure of our traits in an very thought provoking way. I was introduced to it by my closet friend where I live now, in Bern CH, I am a NZer. I went into her shop and came out of the dressing room to see her talking to my hub... I started talking to her and she ended up giving me her extremely worn copy from her bag. Incidentally I was also trying on a dress that her closest friend in another country had made her.

so i really recommend it - do a search on his name... lots of interesting topics...

go to the library lots so do not spend much on books... but this 2nd hand shop up the road from me... well there was a plethora of books there the last time - another one is an introduction to rDzogs-chen Meditation. It has a great postcard inside as well - I often receive things in books... more dolphin things re my dd etc...

the page with the postcard says....

It is necessary to really practice so that everything is spontaneously whole, complete.
Therefore, one can enjoy sitting, walking, standing, and lying down without premeditation.

So right on.

papillion would it be ok to post that quote from the book on the thread about private schools that has got a few people upset. Perhaps the wholeness of the wording will reach some upset people there?

Sorry to be thick but were is Bern CH?

Its funny the receiving stuff in books thing i find it really comforting, exhilarating and mindblowing my DP looks at me as if i am mad when i go off on one about it when im reading something. I guess i never really put it together with the syncronicity thing until just now but its all much of the same stuff!! Does your partner share your interest in alternative and spiritual stuff?