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Michael Jackson programme ..

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bundle · 03/02/2003 17:06

..is on tonight, where he's being followed by Martin Bashir including around the infamous hanging the baby from the balcony incident (on Tonight..with Trevor MacDonald) - so don't forget to watch it should be a hoot
(I'm off out so I've just left an ansaphone message for dh to record it )

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aloha · 04/02/2003 15:24

No, Janh, but I would be interested to know why.
He obviously loves his fans (in a really freaky way IMO) because they give him the 'unconditional' love he never had as a child, and loves children at least partly because they don't challenge him in the way an adult would (paedophiles love this aspect of children too). I blame the parents! However, he is 44 now, and really has to take responsibility for himself. Two operations my a**e! Does he think we're all blind and stupid? If he'd admitted to what was as plain as the lack of nose on his face, then I might have been more inclined to overlook the evidence on the other stuff...
I'm no fan of Martin Bashir, but this was fascinating stuff, wasn't it?

breeze · 04/02/2003 15:36

aloha

aloha · 04/02/2003 15:37

Ooh, two more things. Did anyone else think he was growing breasts?? Is he having hormone treatment? Also, what was with his black nails and the sticking plasters? Oh, and that boy he slept with- that large, slightly spotty, streetwise & almost feral looking lad - did he honestly look like the kind of child who would enjoy being tucked up in bed at 7pm with milk and a bedtime story? The way he put his head on MJ's shoulder .... freaky, freaky!

Bugsy · 04/02/2003 16:00

Oh my God yes Aloha, I also thought he had small boobs. In fact, I have to say I did wonder whether the person we saw on telly was Michael Jackson at all. I could see no resemblance with the child from the Jackson Five at all!

Meid · 04/02/2003 16:07

Yes, I thought he spoke like a woman and had the mannerisms of a woman.
There are so many unanswered questions.

Tinker · 04/02/2003 16:08

Aren't he and LaToya (sp?) interchangeable?

Frieda · 04/02/2003 16:56

Just a thought ? if he genuinely doesn't have any sexual feelings, as some have suggested, what's he doing getting married twice?

Bobbins · 04/02/2003 17:01

Gay actors have been known to get married to give an appearance of healthy heterosexuality.

Bobbins · 04/02/2003 17:03

NOT that homosexuality is any way unhealthy!...That didn't come out right. Hope you KWIMeant!

Gwynie · 04/02/2003 17:05

Companionship maybe? They didn't work out so maybe that's why he invests more time with kids.

Or maybe they didn't want babies (although I think he was married to the mother of his first two children - the nurse).

Re the paedophilia - I'm just don't feel there was any real 'proof' in last night's doco.

Yes, odd that this boy wants to share a room with him, but that does not make someone a tried and convicted paedophile.

The LAPD file - I assume they have no real proof of actual abuse either so until then, they will maybe monitor the situation.

Agree about the annoying Martin Bashir as well.

Gwynie · 04/02/2003 17:08

BTW I'm not saying it's ok to have pictures of naked boys in your posession, but maybe the LAPD would need something more 'concrete' to nab him.

Frieda · 04/02/2003 18:15

...and those breasts. I hope he's not planning to breastfeed the next one. Tho' with everything else going on in his world I don't imagine it's beyond the bounds of possibility? Yeuch ? too horrible to contemplate. Sorry everyone.

robinw · 04/02/2003 18:33

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aloha · 04/02/2003 18:40

Honestly, I don't understand the issue about showing the children's faces. He says they don't go to school & they never leave the ranch without him, so what difference would showing their faces make? They can hardly be anonymous in a crowd if he never lets them go out without him, his wierdo fans and his security. Also, the smallest one's a baby! He has a baby's face - hardly idenfiable in a crowd. Either keep them out of the limelight or don't hide them behind those horrible masks and that scary cloth over that poor baby's face. He's such a monster, he's the one who should be wearing a mask IMO. Also, what kind of woman would act as a baby factory for MJ? That really troubles me too. His nails looked like they were rotting. I wonder what causes that? Maybe the same drugs as turn skin white?

Chiccadum · 04/02/2003 18:45

I'm not a fan of MJ so wasn't interested in watching the programme but after seeing the items on the news about how everyone fears for his mental health and other weird things he did like trying to feed a baby whilst the baby has a veil over his face i really do wish i had watched it now. Hopefully it will be repeated.

janh · 04/02/2003 20:05

re the marriages - Elton John did it too (once!) - I can't imagine what the Presley one was about (unless he had a thing about Elvis?) but I imagine the second one was a deal where the woman had the kids, gave them up to him, got loads of money and agreed not to talk.

He does look like a twisted version of Diana Ross, who is supposed to be one of his idols/friends? Also (v slightly) like Liz Taylor (another friend). (I don't know what la Toyah looks like exactly but she is probably in there too.)

If he is trying to look like a woman, and be like a woman (the breasts), it makes his possible aggressive paedophilia even less likely? (Also, someone mentioned earlier that his mother gave him the message that sex was something to be endured in order to procreate - that probably kept him subdued too.)

Bugsy, have you tried the Guardian morphing picture thing? There are stages missing but you can kind of see the connections, and although there are not enough stages his face shape doesn't actually change that much...obviously he is lying about the number of nose jobs, and obviously he has done something to his skin (but he probably doesn't consider that to be plastic surgery) but he did have good bone structure as a child and I do think he has messed about with his nose/upper lip more than anything else.

aloha · 04/02/2003 20:12

He's had multiple ops on his eyes to open them up - see the way they 'drag' down underneath so you can see in the inner lining. He has had chin implants and cheek implants - and changed them for bigger ones as he has gone on. He has had some kind of skin resurfacing etc etc (no lines at 44!). And multiple nose operations. Also operations on his lips, of course. I have spoken to surgeons who have turned him down!

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Tinker · 04/02/2003 21:39

Latoyah/Michael - judge for yourself

Also, does anyone know anyone who is actually a fan of MJ? I find that really bizarre. I know the early stuff was fab, but it is his Thriller/Off the Wall period which seems to have 'inspired' the mass adulation and yet, bar Billie Jean, I think the music is tosh. Certainly no more distinctive than loads of other similar tosh of the time.

Plus, why would he want his kids to hear his fans chanting the 'F' word?

willow2 · 04/02/2003 21:57

Liar, liar, your pants are on fire, your nose is... hang on a minute... strike that, rewind... that nose (cos it certainly isn't yours)... is just plain WEIRD!

But what was even weirder is that he is a virtual carbon copy of my evil step monster - bizarre mannerisms, identikit modes of speech, obsession with over priced tat, professes to adore children but is a bit Chitty Chitty Bang Bang child catcher about it all, great at spending oodles of cash (although at least it's his or the bank's - depending on which version of his wealth you believe - and not my dad's)...

... only joking, we really are the best of friends. That's me and the stepwitch - not MJ.
(Yeah, yeah, and MJ really does have a skin condition that makes his children come out white).

But they really are spookily similar.

Anyway, I digress (started weight watchers today and am going through a sugar dip).

Clarinet60 · 04/02/2003 22:35

LOL Willow!
He's absolutely mental. Those poor children, I had to look away when he was feeding the baby. God knows what sort of monsters the mothers were, unless some hideous desperation played a part. One of the children did have dark roots, but none of them seemed to have black features, from what I could see. MJ's own dad has quite a weired face shape though.
The whole thing is v. disturbing.

Tinker · 04/02/2003 22:44

His kids - ignore the spiel below if you like but one does look black - ish.

mears · 04/02/2003 22:49

I have to agree with previous postings that I do not think that MJ is a paedophile. I genuinely think he is recreating his lost childhood and he enjoys the company of children. However, he obviously displays abnormal behaviour in wanting to be with children so badly. Also his deep need to have children - they are not going to grow up 'normal' either.
Martin Bashir really annoyed me because he sounded like an amateur psychiatrist, trying to get to the bottom of his bizarre behaviour. He reminded me of Richard Madeley in full flow. Sad story all round.

Demented · 04/02/2003 22:50

LOL Frieda!!!

Bobbins · 04/02/2003 23:08

I'mafraid I don't think they look at all black......not even black-ish.

This is pure conjecture, but I wonder if perhaps he detests his blackness (its been known...children rying to scrub the 'colour' away, especially when they have been made to feel 'different' He supposedly had children with a dermatologist, and perhaps these issues would come up and she would offer him a way out.

Who knows. It is fascinating.

Its worrying and horribly fascinating