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Michael Jackson programme ..

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bundle · 03/02/2003 17:06

..is on tonight, where he's being followed by Martin Bashir including around the infamous hanging the baby from the balcony incident (on Tonight..with Trevor MacDonald) - so don't forget to watch it should be a hoot
(I'm off out so I've just left an ansaphone message for dh to record it )

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SoupDragon · 13/02/2003 21:29
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MatthewKelly · 13/02/2003 21:37

I have to say that I wholeheartedly agree with everything my good friend Michael has said.

I will back up Michael in everything he says and does and we will always remain close friends and confidents as we have alot in common

tigermoth · 14/02/2003 15:06

come on matthew and michael, please reveal your true identies - my bets on scummy and custardo!

tigermoth · 14/02/2003 15:07

..and no offence intended you two!

breeze · 22/02/2003 16:55

Just in case anyone is interested, there is a programme on skyone on Monday 9pm, it will show things that we didn't see on the itv programme.

janh · 22/02/2003 19:13

I saw some quotes from it, breeze, old Martin B slurping about what a Wonderful Father MJ is and how Emotionally Moved he was to be in The Presence of such Superb Parenting. (Those weren't his exact words but it wasn't what he was saying later. Rubbing hands with glee here - more car-crash TV!)

willow2 · 23/02/2003 10:31

Equally you could look at it as Martin thought MJ was an alright bloke up until the point where MJ proceeded to go increasingly bonkers, jiggle his baby out of a window and admit to sharing a bed with loads of children. At which point Martin decides that maybe his original impression was somewhat misguided???

Clarinet60 · 24/02/2003 23:43

That sounds like sense to me, willow.

Batters · 25/02/2003 13:51

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MartinBashir · 25/02/2003 19:24

I have absolutely no comment to make! Speak to my lawyers!

WideWebWitch · 25/02/2003 19:26

I agree Batters. I saw the Sky one programme (well, actually, they called it a program but there you go!) and thought it was terrible - very American trash tv - but I also thought it was interesting that of course MB wouldn't have expected any of his buttering up comments to MJ to be shown. So he waxed lyrical about what a great father MJ was and how moved he was by seeing all those poor children invited to Neverland and of course he made those comments to gain MJ's confidence and to get the footage he wanted. I do think MJ is loopy but I also think Bashir knew what he was doing: making a tabloid programme using tabloid techniques. He just didn't expect his methods to be shown. I'm not saying I'm surprised, I'm not that naive but I did think it was interesting to watch. And possibly unfair to MJ. Debbie Rowe is also a bit of a weird one isn't she? All that soft focus weepiness...

willow2 · 25/02/2003 22:54

Have to agree that Bashir was a bit of a xxxx. Am astounded that he "forgot" he was also on camera. Still think MJ rather odd though.

anais · 25/02/2003 22:59

Haven't seen it, but so what if it makes MB look bad? Does that change the way MJ behaved?

Clarinet60 · 25/02/2003 23:15

anais - precisely (can't spell now after reading that grammar thread, jeepers)

Batters · 26/02/2003 13:48

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WideWebWitch · 26/02/2003 14:46

No it doesn't change the way MJ behaved but I didn't say it did - I said I think MJ is loopy.

janh · 26/02/2003 22:57

Missed the prog - hope it's repeated - ??? - but I so hope it makes it much much harder for MB to get a similar job in future. Slimy git.

Yes, MJ is bonkers, but still believe he means well and is not a paedophile. (OK, the baby was petrified 1) over the balcony and 2) under the scarf, but it has nice nannies the rest of the time, and I let one of my babies bounce off the kitchen table onto the floor!!!) MB, on the other hand, is a devious tabloid-type journalist and, worse than that, a hypocritical tabloid-type journalist because I gather he plays the devout Christian husband-and-father card as often as poss.

Joe1 · 27/02/2003 08:50

Programme is on again on Channel 5 (I think) on Monday 9.00pm

aloha · 27/02/2003 09:46

What about policemen who say to suspects, 'Look, I can see you aren't a bad man, you just lost it for a moment, come on, tell me all about it and all this can be over..." When they actually think the person is a raving psychopath... is that wrong? I can't believe MJ is so stupid as to actually believe that an interviewer is going to be entirely genuine - the idea is to get interesting, revealing answers, not to do a PR job on the person, now THAT really would be unethical. When Martin Bashir did his creepy crawly act around Diana it was nauseating and clearly rehearsed, which I thought was awful, but in other ways it actually quite successful. She admitted the affair with Hewitt and then put up such a feeble defence to the phone pest allegations - 'it was a young boy' - that you felt even more convinced that she was indeed a phone pest - ringing that married art dealer all day and night. I have interviewed quite a few celebrities and when you interview someone who uses drugs, if you went in to the interview saying, 'right, you are clearly off your head on coke, what the hell are you doing? How can you be a fit mother if you are stuffing that stuff up your nose all day?' the interview would be over in a minute. Instead you creep up the subject... 'There must be a lot of drugs around in your stressfull business.... have you ever come across them...? do you feel under pressure to join in....? Do you worry for your children...? blah blah. And of course you feign enormous interest in their stupid rubbish film at the same time. Celebrities lie their heads off to interviewers all day and every day - 'My marriage is rock solid" "I don't take drugs" etc etc. It's a funny business, the interview, and MJ is living in another world if he didn't realise that. Oh, sorry, I forgot, he is! Still think he is a complete weirdo, totally unfit father and freak. I cannot forget those poor masked kids, the baby fighting and struggling to take the material off its face (er, Debbie Rowe says, cos she's paid to, that she insists on the masks - so how come the tiny baby from the surrogate mother gets its face covered too, eh?) and the crazed jiggling as MJ tried to push a bottle into every orifice the baby had.

janh · 27/02/2003 11:38

Thanks, Joe1 (on the right thread this time!)

donnie · 27/02/2003 11:41

yup, let's face facts : the guy is a total freak and should not be allowed loose in the company of anyone below the age of 21.

happydays · 27/02/2003 17:23

I think that MJ is a little odd, but saying he should be kept away from under 21's is a bit harsh IMO. I think that just because he is a bit strange, people tend to over-look all the masses of good things that he does.

happydays · 27/02/2003 19:51

Have just sat down and watched the programme that I taped on MJ, Although I still admit that I think MJ is a little weird, it did show him in a totally different light, and it shows how clever people in editing really are. I still believe he was wrong to dangle baby and put himself in a position of having children in his bedroom. I do not believe for one moment that he would hurt any child.

Donnie, in reply to your posting, did you see the programme on skyone or only the one on itv.

anais · 03/03/2003 22:16

Anyone watching this now?

NQWWW · 04/03/2003 13:26

I did watch bits of it last night. Personally I think $13m a year to charity is a bit stingy when you've got a third of a billion to play with. He probably spent more than that on vases in that shop on the Martni Bashir programme.