Michael Jackson programme ..

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..is on tonight, where he's being followed by Martin Bashir including around the infamous hanging the baby from the balcony incident (on Tonight..with Trevor MacDonald) - so don't forget to watch it should be a hoot
(I'm off out so I've just left an ansaphone message for dh to record it )

Compulsive, but totally gross viewing! Don't believe most of what he said ? was sure the boy said, yes, he did sleep in the bed with Jackson, then later Jackson insisted he slept in a sleeping bag (!sorry, he really didn't strike me as the camping type!) on the floor. Then MJ went on to say how Macaulay Caulkin and his brother & sister "all piled into bed with him together" and how sharing your bed was 'the most loving thing you could do'. His apologists, such as Uri Geller on the Today programme this morning, obviously weren't paying too much attention.
Also find it disturbing how his vast wealth is obviously buying the silence of all those people who've had dealings with thim ? countless plastic surgeons for one thing, not to mention those women who've 'given' him their babies. How could they?.
And that gross plan about adopting a boy and a girl from every continent like a bizarre travesty of noah's ark. It's so warped!

I thought the programme was absolutely fascinating to get a tiny insight into the world of someone so far removed from reality that it is just impossible to relate to him at all.
At the start of the documentary he came across as quite likeable but when they were in Berlin his mood changed, he seemed edgy and on a high, possibly coming across as drunk (although I don't think he was). I am sure a psychiatrist could have lots of fun with him!
He definitely told lies - I mean, did he really say that at the birth he helped "pull" one of the babies out, cut the cord then leave the hospital!
As far as the boys sleeping over are concerned, he is so much in his own bizarre world he really can't see the wrong in it. I think he said something along the lines of there needing to be more fun and love in the world and I do have a small amount of sympathy with his sentiments there - perhaps the world is twisted that we all asume he is up to no good. I don't know - I certainly wouldn't want to take that chance and have any child of mine being one of his special friends and as far as his alledgedly own children are concerned he needs a lot of guidance and help there in bringing them up. If they are going to stay with him (rather than their absent mother) I do hope, at least, they have loving nannies looking after them.
All very strange.

Felt MJ was lying most of the way through this interview but I have to say, maybe naively, I believe him when he denied the sex abuse allegations, although certainly wouldn't let my children anywhere near him, think he is a total nutcase. He is definately setting himself up for other allegations with his freeness with children.

There is no way that those kids are his, DH and I laughed hillariously when he described Blanket (poor child) as being "coloured", meaning anything from white to black.

Did feel sorry for him about the beatings from his father although didn't know that the other brothers had no memory of this.

How any woman could give their child to him I do not know. I wondered with his money couldn't he have asked the zoo to close for the morning (pay them a big sum of money) and take the kids round (minus masks) privately.

The man gave me the creeps big time!

He's a fruitcake, and people like him who have so many problems should not be raising children, especially without the influence of another parent. That poor child who said he didn't have a mummy!

Was the child's hair really dyed? Seemed like dark roots to me. Also, could a coloured person really father two such white children?

Where are the people who have been involved with him? His siblings, surgeons, the mother of his children? Does he pay for their silence?

So many unanswered questions.

Did anyone else think the blond boy had his hair dyed? He's clearly a compulsive liar with body dysmorphic disorder and god knows what other mental illnesses. Those poor, poor children.

Another thing was that I'm sure I read in the paper that he was verging on bankrupcy recently yet he said he was worth over a billion dollars....is that mickey mouse dollars Mr Jackson? Mind you that shopping trip wouldn't have helped his bank balance if he was broke and it was all such disgustingly tacky stuff.....
FREAK FREAK FREAK

Yes, I thought the child's hair was dyed and possibly staightened. So very very sad but agree that his description of "coloured" people rather comical.

Did anyone else notice that he said that the children in the world that stay with him need there mummies and daddies, the later on his own (debatable) child said he didn't have a mother. How sad.

I started off feeling sorry for him, I think he did have an awful childhood. Seeing him what the film of him when he was a young child performing, he looked so sad.

Regarding the children staying at his house, I really do not believe he thinks of them in a sexual manner. I do not believe he is even capable of having a sexual relationship. I think he likes being around children because children do not judge and do not have any prejudices. Saying that though, I don't think I would want any of my children sleeping in his room, although this is not against him personally, I wouldn't want them sleeping in any "adult's" room.

The one thing that totally disgusted me, as everyone else seems to think, was the way he treated those poor children of his. To see him trying to feed that baby under the blanket was such a sad thing to see. Okay, he wanted to see the gorillas in Berlin zoo, so why didn't he just go on his own rather than subject his children to the hussle and bussle that his presence generated.

He is one of the celebrities that actually likes his fans and takes time out for them, but I think this is more for his ego rather than anything else. I just think he wants to be liked, as it is obvious he didn't feel liked or loved as a child.

To summarise, I don't think he should be with those children of his (?!?!?!) but I think he is just a very sad, mixed up individual.

I agree Bumblelion. He just appeared as a very mixed up, troubled man who is desperate to create a childhood that he probably would have liked. I think he surrounds himself with kids as they are probably more genuine than most of the people he meets in life. Unfortunately we live in a world, a real world for most of us, where you cannot act like that with children. He can afford to shut off reality and live with the fantasy that he's created. It is just such a shame that his kids are exposed to this life. But then again, how many other celebrities, and let's face it, there are not many like him, or have as much money as him, that have kids and expose them to a life of media speculation etc. Should celebrities not have kids, who knows? I also think that Martin Bashir started off ok and then seemed to be looking to twist the knife and represent MJ in a way that was not necessarily true. After all, he is still a journalist.

I felt sorry for MJ the boy but despise MJ the man!

Since he's that screwed up with his money, then he should go into therapy and not just blame his father. And he's passing on his madness to his kids. SAD, SAD, SAD.

Hmmm. MJ said that Blanket's mother was black. So Blanket must have got his white skin from Michael's side of the family then.

I didn't see it - but is one of his children really called Blanket?????????

Enid> no he's really called Prince Michael III, 'affectionally' known as 'Blanket'??!!

Well, who is Prince Michael I - his first son? So who is PM II? The one married to that horsey Austrian?

No, the baby's real name was Pricne Michael the 2nd (or something). Blanket is his pet name.

I'm with Bumbelion on this one - he's very, very screwed up due to his childhood and yes, I wouldn't let him sleep with my DS but neither would I any stranger!

Yes, he should get therapy but how many 'ordinary' people are screwed up and don't get therapy (I know plenty).

I also do not believe he is a child abuse - very naive perhaps???

What I would like to know is where his family support network are? His mother??? They all seem to have left him out in Neverland to indulge in his fantasy world.

he did mention that he still bought jewllery (sp) for his mother, is his dad dead.

just read my posing and it read awful, it would have been better to put, is his dad still alive.

I think if he did do anything sexual with kids it would be on the same basis as children experimenting with each other almost. Of course, he could be completely in denial about anything going on or it being wrong if it did, but he just seems to lack knowing. Plus, being told to be quiet whilst his brother sh*ed groupies is going to colour your view of sex somewhat, maybe? Didn't see the second half (taped it) so didn't see the terrified baby but this programme would certainly have had an agenda and have been edited accordingly.

Agree with most of whats already written (not sure if I agree with those who don't think he's sexually abusing children really haven't made my mind up yet), didn't find it natural that 12 year old boy holding his hand. My s-i-l can't get near her 12 year old boy to even hug him. All in all I found the programme very disturbing, it was morbid fascination that made me keep watching. I think he truly believes he is Peter Pan and he's going to live forever but how much of it was an act for the cameras?

I missed the first half, Tinker, so I didn't hear that bit. I don't think he is a sexual being at all - the babies were conceived "with my sperm cells" - all 3, not just the last one - I don't think he would even be interested in childish experimentation.

Was the boy who accused him of sexual abuse supposed to have spent time alone with him? So there would have been no corroboration either way? From what he was saying in the programme there are always hordes of them in his bedroom these days.

He had a rotten childhood by normal standards whatever actual abuse did or didn't take place. I think he does have an idealistic image of the innocence of children and wants to be part of that - having missed out on it himself. He is obviously a complete fruitcake (but we all knew that anyway) and I think he means well with all his loving snuggling cookies and milk stuff. (And he has a point about so many American kids these days getting no love, attention or time.) Shouldn't be allowed to have his own kids unsupervised though!

By the end I quite wanted to slap Martin Bashir with his incredulous expressions, heavy innuendo and smugness.

BTW, re MJ's plastic surgery etc, have a look here:

www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,547930,00.html

(click on the arrow on the left to start it)

it's a morphing sequence of faces - I think the nose/lip went wrong in 1998. I'd like to see what he looked like at a couple of points between 72 and 84 though.

I strongly suspect he is a paedophile. After all, he is still a 44year old man with testosterone etc and sexual urges - where are they going? Very interesting feature by Oliver James in the Standard sayign the LAPD has a file on his activities with boys and that he had an album full of naked pictures of boys. Many paedophiles love children, can only relate to them and surround themselvees with them and convince themselves that they are 'helping' and 'loving' the children they have sex with. There have been so many allegations against him I can't believe that there's no substance to them. Anyway, he's clearly a compulsive liar even when there's no point lying - eg about the surgery on his face, so he wouldn't think twice about lying about his sexuality. I found the programme very disturbing.

As someone earlier said that unusually he seemed to really like the attention of his fans, and I don't know if anyone else noticed but at one point when they were at the zoo, he was complaining to the nanny that Paris was always grabbing at his hand to hold it and that he couldn't sign autographs. So much for the loving, concerned father!!

aloha, did Oliver James's article say why LAPD doesn't do anything about him?

While I was watching I believed what he said about his relationships with children being non-sexual. On reflection, I think that his ability to lie blatantly about the plastic surgery suggests that he may well be lying about this too. PArt of me feels very sorry for him, the other part is shocked and appalled by the corrupting affect of so much money and power.