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Michael Jackson programme ..

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bundle · 03/02/2003 17:06

..is on tonight, where he's being followed by Martin Bashir including around the infamous hanging the baby from the balcony incident (on Tonight..with Trevor MacDonald) - so don't forget to watch it should be a hoot
(I'm off out so I've just left an ansaphone message for dh to record it )

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Bobbins · 05/02/2003 13:01

Demented> chicken oriental

Tinker · 05/02/2003 13:01

I was being vaguely flippant Lil but a man with stature who had been brought to believe he was God could be pretty screwy.

aloha · 05/02/2003 13:20

I've never seen a scarier or more likely child molester in my entire life. I just don't believe in men with no sexual urges at all and certain types of child molesters do just love kids, think of themselves as big kids and want to love and play with them. Agree with Frieda - how freaky was that shoulder stuff. Not normal.

forest · 05/02/2003 16:44

I wasn't sure what to make of MJ - at first I felt very sympathetic towards him. But towards the end he got very creepy. My dh is a RMN and as soon as he saw MJ with the 12 year old boy he just shouted NONCE (not very PC my bloke!) and gave me his reasons why which is exactly what you have outlined below Aloha. My dh has had some experience working with paedophiles so I suppose I trust his judgement. If he is, it is very scary that he would be so public about it.
I also thought Martin Bashir was a terrible interviewer and would have much preferred Louis Theroux to have done it!

aloha · 05/02/2003 16:56

Nice to agree with you again Forest

Frieda · 05/02/2003 17:17

Yes, forest ? we all said, 'why couldn't it have been Louis Theroux?' in the office this morning. Agree, he'd have done a much more interesting job. BTW, what's a RMN?

janh · 05/02/2003 18:44

Registered Mental Nurse? I suppose he should know...funny how so many of us are refusing to believe it - we must feel sorry for him (a-ha! He is manipulating us as described!)

Still - just because someone behaves in a certain way doesn't always mean they are that way - does it? (Frantically trying to think of relevant examples! Laurence Llewellyn Bowen? Jeremy Spake? The bloke who works in the local hardware store?) (Just kidding with the last one.)

Not sure Louis would have got any more out of MJ, but I would certainly rather have watched him than MB.

janh · 05/02/2003 18:46

BTW this is on AOL news today:

robinw · 05/02/2003 21:37

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Clarinet60 · 05/02/2003 21:55

I suppose it's just the issue of the moment, and it's very interesting.

I worry about Gavin in 10 yrs time and how embarrassed and angry he's likely to be, however innocent it may be.

Clarinet60 · 05/02/2003 21:57

There are tons of interesting threads on the go at the moment. So I reckon that anyone who's even clicked on here is interested, either in the enigma of MJ, or in what everyone's got to say about it.

Rhubarb · 05/02/2003 21:59

Robinw - let's not get personal again, Jasper wasn't.

IMO I don't think MJ is a child abuser. I don't think he has sex at all. I might be wrong, I have no authority to go on, but I have heard of people who are a-sexual. He said that his first experience of sex frightened him, he wants to be a child forever, he appears quite innocent and naive and his latest child was from a surrogate mother. If he had lovers, either male or female, we would probably all know about it by now. I truly believe that the man does not realise how his behaviour is being interpreted. Mentally he has failed to grow up too, and he admitted that he does not read the papers or follow the news much, so paedophile activity probably doesn't figure much in his thinking.

I am often guilty of seeing only the best in people, and I always look for an alternative explanation for things. But in all honesty he came across as a naive and innocent child. I'm not saying that justifies many of the things he is doing, such as the way in which he is bringing up his kids. But this man has not grown up one bit, and that includes sexually. In an ideal world we should be able to sleep in the same bed as children, and hold hands with them and so on, but unfortunately this is not an ideal world and I don't think MJ has realised that.

Rhubarb · 05/02/2003 22:37

Actually scrap that first sentence and pretend it's not there will you? I don't want to get involved in anything! Peace RobinW!

jasper · 05/02/2003 22:54

Thanks Rhubarb, that made me smile.

Robinw thanks for your characteristic support with a sting in the tail .
I have to hold my hand up to slagging off Sara Jane in the Tikkabila thread lately

However this thread is practically a witch hunt.

My thoughts on MJ are much the same as rhubarb's who put them far more eloquently than I could.Like you Rhubarb I am often accused of seeing the best in people ( Like that is supposed to be some kind of a fault?)

Funny how we all watched the same programme and reached such different conclusions.

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Demented · 06/02/2003 09:14

robinw, I don't know, maybe DH and I are just sad but it has been our main topic of conversation over the last few days, fueled by every new news report about it. I have even been filling him in with Mumsnet member's points of view on the subject. Perhaps our lives aren't exciting enough!

willow2 · 06/02/2003 09:45

Have to say that this has been the one topic of conversation that everyone I've seen seems to have an opinion on - and the offline discussions were far stronger than these ones. To be honest, I can't see why anyone would be concerned by the comments levelled here - we Mumsnetters have laid in to many a celeb' in the past. Frankly, the likelihood of MJ logging on to brush up on his parenting techniques is far less than Leslie Ash doing so - so what does it matter if people voice their honest opinions about him? And yes, most people do have an opinion, that's why some 15 million tuned in to the programme.

As for whether he's a paedophile or just a horribly damaged man? Who knows? But I certainly wouldn't allow my child to sleep over.

Frieda · 06/02/2003 09:53

And, I have to say, part of the whole deal with celebrity ? and particularly someone who agrees to be featured on a progamme like this ? is that you are going to be talked about. And that sometimes seems to be the whole point for some celebs. So, Fair Game, I'd say

aloha · 06/02/2003 10:02

The fact that he doesn't get turned on by adults doesn't mean he can't be a kiddie-fiddler! In fact, quite the opposite. It's like saying that because someone doesn't get turned on by kids they can't possibly have sex with adults. I also suspect his sex drive is sublimated. Not all paedophiles have intercourse with kids - far from it. They might get turned on by talking to them about sex or watching them get undressed or taking nude photos of them (like Charles Dodgson, Alice in Wonderland author) right up to various kinds of touching. I have to say, I see no reason to believe someone who is proven to have lied and lied and lied. He lied about his face (I think we can all agree on that one!), he lied about where his kids came from, his marriages were a lie and a sham.... he has no credibility at all as far as I am concerned. He masks his kids, he dyes their hair, he makes them live a terrible unnatural life and I am 99.9% certain will ruin their lives. I pity the child he was, but as for the adult he is, well I hate him and think he's crazy scum - and yes, I have said worse with friends offline. EVERYONE's talking about MJ!

star · 06/02/2003 11:05

I'm with Jasper on this one ,it reminds me of a witchhunt too reading all this.I watched it and although was shocked he has children sleeping in his bed overnight I could see no proof that he was abusing anyone.What kind of monster would do that to children who are cancer patients which most of them are according to his friend Uri?He didn't strike me as a monster,just a little odd.He seems effeminate to me too,especially when he was feeding his baby and his manerisms.I'm not surprised he puts scarves over his kids heads we're all so obsessed with their features etc he's trying to protect them from comments if you ask me.If he is a peadophile why the hell do the police do nothing about him,why let it carry on?
I agree with others who didn't like Martin Bashir sneering and making faces and as for the comment when he asked him if he prefered climbing trees to having sex I thought it was unecessary and a stupid comment.I was looking forward to an interesting docummantary about the man and was hoping to find out the real Micheal Jackson with a bit of humour,Martin Bashir was a total arse throughout the programme and showed us nothing of the man.I would of much prefered Louie Theroux too.I wonder how can people make their minds up that he is a peadophile from that programme,I don't know,but perhaps he is just a nice bloke who does just want to heal the world as he says?Sally clark springs to mind when the evidence does look damning don't you think?

Frieda · 06/02/2003 11:11

...About those trees. Did anyone else notice, he'd had "steps" carefully moulded into that trunk so he could go up it like a ladder? Tree climbing my a**e, that guy is just a complete fake from beginning to end.
(Granted, perhaps he can sing a bit. )

Frieda · 06/02/2003 11:18

And, I have to say, part of the whole deal with celebrity ? and particularly someone who agrees to be featured on a progamme like this ? is that you are going to be talked about. And that sometimes seems to be the whole point for some celebs. So, Fair Game, I'd say

Frieda · 06/02/2003 11:20

Oops, how did that happen. Ignore that last post, it's an old one. There's something funny going on with my computer!