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The Buffster's back....

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willow2 · 16/01/2003 11:00

Bettys, Enid et al - don't forget she's back at eight.

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nerdgirl · 14/05/2003 12:21

Soupdragon, so you're buying her season 3 for Christmas but what about season 4?

They usually release the DVDs half way through the next season, don't they? Maybe you should start watching now.

SoupDragon · 14/05/2003 12:48

We've got to fit Season 2 in there somewhere too!! I think... or did DH get that for her for mother's day...

I'd settle for her getting through S1 as a start! Apparently there are "too many episodes on 1 disc" Bah!

bea · 14/05/2003 21:04

www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_780047.html

look here for exciting news on angel in the UK!

No Spoilers!

JJ · 16/05/2003 17:19

My husband got me the DVDs of Season 6 for my birthday and they arrived today! Whoo hoo! All night Buffy watching is in order. We also have a line on getting the Season 7 episodes. Unfortunately, it's not playing here in CH on any TV channel.

Now, which episode to watch first: the musical maybe? the last couple of the season? Decisions, decisions...

bea · 16/05/2003 19:46

c'mon slayerettes!!!! what did you think of last nights ep... poor old Xander! but i must confess to getting abit tired with the storyline in angel,.... connor! you prat! work it out will you!??? .... too late now!... and all that "our baby is special" nonsense from chipmunk Cordy was making me feel nauseous!... hoorah! all over now though i hope!... not writing too much as i know people don't want to hear toomuch detail....

Dot1 - you should not be browsing this thread!!!! Juno has reported your illegal lurkings!!!!

pie · 16/05/2003 19:49

Ok Connor is really REALLY getting on my nerves, and I don't understand why Cordelia persistently dresses like someone in a Harem, or a Goth night out.

It was good to see Faith back though, especially when she was having a smoke with Spike. And Xander???? Why??? If anyone ever deserved not to have his eye poked out it was Xander.

GeorginaA · 16/05/2003 20:02

I have to say the premise that Cordy was so good that she got made a higher being always struck me as stupid - now we know it was all a con, my faith in Joss has been restored.

Wasn't Faith ACE in Buffy - so much more refreshing than whiney Buffy.

willow2 · 16/05/2003 21:22

Faith rocked. By contrast, Buffy xxxxxx up big time.

Wonder if Xander getting dusted will cause Willow to go mental? First crush and all. I hope she skins the preacher as he's obviously not a very nice person - preferably very slowly.

Re Cordy and Sisters of Mercy look - she's obviously so bad that her taste has followed suit.

And yes, Connor is a very silly boy.

But have to say I thought both episodes were good'uns. Left me gagging for next thursday.

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nerdgirl · 17/05/2003 12:43

Faith was pretty cool last night. Loved the scene with her and Spike (aside from the obvious shirtless reason!) Thought Andrews introduction to the second slayer was hilarious - Vulcans!!

Nearly jumped out of my skin when Caleb squished Xanders eye! yeeeeuchh!

Does anyone else think Caleb is kinda sexy? Or have I truely gone over to the dark side?

I feel a mutiny brewing. I think Spike might be the only one left who is completely loyal to Buffy. Can't wait for next week. Only four more to go!

luchar · 19/05/2003 09:37

Please please please can someone give me a blow by blow account of what happend in Thursday's Angel - missed it and the Saturday repeat!!! Desperate to know what's going on and the updates here so far have been excellent!!I'd be very happy if someone (Nerdgirl??!!) could help me out! Thanks.

nerdgirl · 19/05/2003 20:51

Just for you Luchar -

Angel stands facing Cordy, he says "All this time, it was you." Cordy chides him for not being able to see it coming. She asks him what tipped it off. He says her tongue. A slip of it. She called the baby her sweet, the same word the beast's master used when it was in his head. Cordy says she still has some tricks. Angel says it's not the real Cordelia, the real Cordy would never hurt her friends. He grabs her by the throat, asks her where the real Cordelia is. She asks him what he really thinks is going on. Connor crashes through the skylight, shoots Angel with a tranquilizer. Connor whisks Cordy off, she turns and smiles as she walks away. The magic 8 ball tips, it says Try again later.

Gunn comes in from his electro date to find everyone all beat up. He asks what happened. They explain Cordy is evil. Gunn asks if mamma and pappa kicked their asses. They say no, just pappa, Cordy just made with the evil laugh. They explain that Cordy is the beastmaster. They figure out that the spell that Lorne did to Cordy woke up whatever Cordy brought back with her. That's what Wolfram and Hart sucked out of Lorne's head. They put back together the pieces of what Cordy did. When Cordy was trying to resoul Angel it was all misdirection, what she really did was put the whammy on Lorne. Angel figures out Cordy killed Lilah. They wonder what's baking in Cordy's oven. Evil and pregnant, they bet it's not cookies.

Connor takes Cordy somewhere safe. She asks him how careful he was. He says very careful. Connor asks Cordy why Angel is against them. Cordy says it's because Angel hates him. He can't stand that he'll never know the feel of her touch and the warmth of her lips. She kisses Connor, tells him he was right about Angel, he's an animal, he'll turn everyone against them. Connor says he won't let them hurt her. Cordy hugs him, calls him her sweet sweet boy.

Wes walks in on Angel staring at a sketch of Cordy. He says he just let it happen. He didn't see it. Wes says it played on his emotions. But at least he had a reason for not seeing it. Angel says that he and Lilah weren't exactly mortal enemies, as Wes stares into the darkness. Wes changes the subject. He deduces that whatever happened to Cordy happened after she ascended. He says maybe they should seek the powers for advice. Angel asks him if he thinks the powers couldn't see something pretending to be Cordelia and still return it. Angel says they need someone else. They need someone who is deeper into it.

Connor takes Cordy somewhere to hide. He tells her he can't believe Angel tried to kill her. He thinks maybe they got tricked and Angel is still Angelus. Cordy tells him he's not still Angelus. They discuss good and evil. Connor can't believe the things the others are doing. Cordy says good and evil are just words and they don't have to live by those rules because they're special. And their child will be extraordinary.

Fred checks Cordy's room for clues but finds nothing.

Angel finds Skip. He startles him. Skip asks him if he ever knocks. Angel asks Skip when was the last time he saw Cordelia. Skip says last time he saw Cordy was her ascension. Angel asks about her welcome home party. Skip says no one returns from paradise, well except for that one slayer. Angel accuses Skip of lying, being in on it or being a dupe. A spike comes out of Skip's arm, he says he's not a dupe. He throws Angel across the room.

Skip tells Angel it's not like last time is it? Not like when Angel beat Skip up to take Billy. Skip proceeds to kick Angel's ass.

Cordy gets Connor to touch her stomach, to see what he's fighting for. It moves just as he touches her stomach. She tells him that's what babies do when they're happy. Connor asks how long she thinks they need to hide for. Cordy says a week, maybe two. Connor says he won't let Angel hurt her. Cordy says she doesn't want him to have to hurt Angel. Maybe they can speed up the birth. She asks him to go get her some stuff.

Angel and Skip fight. Angel wants to know what they did to Cordelia. Skip throws Angel to the ground, he says the beautiful thing is, he's going to die never knowing what happened to the woman he loves. He says you have to respect the classics. Angel gets up, attacks Skip. He knocks Skip out.

There's a bright flash of light. Angel appears back in the hotel. Says they have to bind Skip to this dimension, before he wakes up.

Connor saves a woman from a vampire. Then as she's thanking him, he knocks her out, brings her to Cordy.

Cordy says she's perfect. Cordy tells Connor that he has to understand his feelings over what he's done. She's one of them. She's just a normal person. They will give her life meaning. Her blood for their baby.

The gang tries to interrogate Skip. Fred threatens him with a sphere of infinite pain. Skip says he'll co operate, he asks for a cigarette. Angel asks where Cordy is. Skip says that evil Cordelia is the real Cordelia, but someone else is driving. It's part of her ascension. Wes asks if this was something done to her on the higher plain. Skip sarcastically says no, Cordelia was chosen to ascend because she was such a pure radiant saint. Then says Puh leeze.

Cordelia chants a spell. The girl Connor knocked out weeps, begs for freedom. Connor hears a voice. Asks who's there. The voice replies "I'm here, close to your heart." Darla appears, she says "Isn't that where a mother belongs."

Connor is shocked. Darla says the Powers sent her to speak to him. Connor says she's not Darla. Darla says she has all Darla's memories, that's what makes a person what they are. Darla says she's felt like he's feeling a thousand times, nurturing a victim before killing them. Darla said she shared his soul once. She says she gave her life for his. She tells him that he's the one good thing she ever did. She'd die every day for an eternity for him, and this is how he repays her? Connor says the woman's blood will save his baby. Darla asks him if he honestly thinks that something good will come from spilling the blood of an innocent. He says he thinks it will. Darla tells him not to let her death be for nothing.

Back at the hotel, they interrogate Skip. Skip links pretty much every event that's happened to them to the Powers That Be. Everything from Cordy getting the visions, to Wes sleeping with Lilah, to Connor being born. Connor's purpose was to make the child inside of Cordy. It's a vessel for a being that desired to come into the world. Angel asks how to stop it. Skip says he has to find Cordy and cut her head off. They ask if there's another way, what will happen to Cordy during the birth. Skip says giving birth will kill Cordy anyway. He says the only way for Angel to stop it is to kill the woman he loves. Angel asks how to find Cordy. Skip tells them they need some strange ingredient. Lorne says he has it. Skip backtracks, pretends he told them the wrong thing. Everyone scrambles to set events in motion.

Darla explains to Connor why she sacrificed herself for Connor. She felt his warmth and his goodness. Her sacrifice was a worthy one. She tries to talk him into letting the girl go. Connor says she's been gone for a long time, what would she know. Darla says they shared a soul for awhile. She feels his pain. She knows he wants to be good. Deep down she feels that he knows what's the right thing to do.

Fred asks Gunn what he thinks Angel will do. Gunn says whatever Angel has to do. Fred comments that they're like pieces on a game board. Gunn says they may be, but in the end, the final act, might not always play out the way it's planned. Fred asks him if he's been practicing that speech. Lorne comes in, tells them to hug their neighbors, they've located Cordy. Skip calls them puppets, they tell Skip to shut up. Gunn comments about getting ready to go. Angel says he's going alone. He has to kill the woman he loves, and he doesn't want anyone else to carry that. Angel leaves.

Cordy orders Connor to bring the woman in the other room. Connor says he won't. Something about their child needing to be annointed with blood. Cordy suspects that Connor's being manipulated. Darla tells Connor not to trust her. Cordy says she can see Darla. It's something Angel is making to confuse him. Darla pleads with Connor not to go with Cordy. Cordy tells him it's a vision from Angel, manipulating him to kill their baby. Connor yells to Darla "You are not my mother." drags the woman off. Cordelia follows. Connor drops the woman. Darla begs him not to do it. Connor drops the woman. Cordelia kills her with a meat cleaver saying "There, that wasn't so hard was it?" In a ring of candles, Cordy writhes in obvious pain. Connor is standing staring at the dead woman. Cordy says they have to do this while it's fresh. Connor stoops to the body. Cordy chants a spell, rubbing her abdomen as she does. Connor approaches. Cordy tells him to do it now. Connor makes a bloody handprint on Cordy's abdomen. The handprint disappears. Cordy screams, the world begins to shake.

Back at the hotel they ask what's going on. Skip says the end of the world. He steps out of the circle that supposedly bound him. He attacks Fred and Gunn and Wesley.

Connor asks what's happening. Cordy says the birth of a new world. She begins to giggle. Angel comes in. Connor moves to attack him. Angel says that's not Cordy. They fight.

Skip fights off the gang, beats them up, tells them there's no way they can defeat him. Wesley grabs a gun, shoots Skip in the head, killing him.

Angel knocks out Connor, asks him if he thinks he wants to do this. Angel says he doesn't have a choice. Angel approaches Cordy with a sword. He says he's so sorry. Cordy screams. Light bursts from her stomach. A woman appears within the glowing light. Cordy's head bobs side to side on the floor (as she appears to fall unconscious). Angel and Connor fall to their knees as the light fades and they see the woman. Angel says "Oh my god, you're beautiful." She says "Angel."

Grrr Arggggh

luchar · 20/05/2003 09:43

You star!! Thank you so much - can't wait for next Thursday now!! Can't think what possessed me to arrange a night out on a Thursday!!

nerdgirl · 23/05/2003 07:52

Help!!

We had a power cut at the end of Angel and I missed the last few crucial minutes!

Wesley was telling the others what Fred had told him and Fred was backing towards the door and poof it all went black! Aaaaagh!

pie · 23/05/2003 09:27

Didn't miss much nerdgirl. Fred grabbed a crossbow from the weapons cabinet and tried to shoot Jasmine, but Angel threw himself in front and took the arrow in the shoulder. Fred then panics and puts a knife to Lorne's neck, saying she will kill him if they try and stop her. The others move towards her and she pushes Lorne at them and runs for it.

Its a bit later and all the other people have left the hotel. Angel and co are saying that they should go after Fred, that Connor and him can still pick up her scent. Jasmines starts to tell them not to worry, Fred is just full of fear, they can catch her tomorrow. Angel starts to talk about Fred being dangerous and that he may have to kill her so he really wants to go after her there and then. Jasmine says not to worry, that 'tomorrow they will have eyes everywhere'

Cut to Fred driving then pulling over and beginning to sob. Next morning Fred is in a diner getting breakfast looking miserable. The cook brings over her breakfast and says 'You look like you've just lost your best freind' Fred relies 'Yeah all of them'.

Then the TV announcer welcomes Jasmine onto the show (that is how we know what she is calling herself), the camera cuts to her and everyone in the diner falls to their knees. Fred looks scared and walks out of the diner, a man walks past the diner and sees the TV through the window and falls to his knees in the street. Fred wanders down the street bewildered and frightened. Camera pans out.

BTW, Buffy was excellent, mutiny ahoy!!

nerdgirl · 23/05/2003 21:07

Thanks Pie. You're a life saver.

Buffy was really good, wasn't it? Can't believe the gang would gang-up on Buffy! Of course I also can't believe that Buffy was stupid enough to let Caleb play her like that. Spike is going to do his nut when he gets back.

Speaking of the gorgeous bleached one - does anyone think that Joss will let them get together? I don't think he will at this stage. It's getting a bit late in the game. But then again, with only Spike for suppport things might get interesting.

motherinferior · 27/05/2003 11:47

Can I just say (a) am ignoring this as only have BBC (b) am very relieved that other people of presumably mature-ish years share my shameless Buffaddiction....

nerdgirl · 27/05/2003 20:43

MotherInferior, can I just say -

a) sorry you can't stick around but it's a great season and you're going to love it

b) yeah, ain't Mumsnet great?

October · 27/05/2003 21:33

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motherinferior · 28/05/2003 08:14

Er...well, I'm back. I am, after all, the woman who knew she was definitely in labour when she couldn't concentrate on Buffy that evening. I'd just heard about Angel as well - wow, hurrah, apparently it gets better and better through the next couple of series?

Buffy websites seem to take a lot of my attention too. Perhaps I need to get a life, but with a second baby due in 6 weeks that seems unlikely.

bettys · 28/05/2003 10:30

Thanks for that info October - Angel is on 5 at 8.00pm which is a luxury. Why C4 used to put it on at midnight I'll never know; almost as if they'd bought the series but didn't know what to do with it.

Watching Buffy series 2 on Sky. Spike should appear soon looking all young and mean...sigh.

tallulah · 29/05/2003 10:22

Bettys, C4 started off putting Angel on at 6pm, then got complaints about the "adult' nature of some of the episodes before the watershed.

I can never understand why people feel the need to make this sort of complaint... can they not say "no" to their children? (Perhaps not... )

October · 29/05/2003 11:46

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willow2 · 29/05/2003 15:22

Ditto October - I spend all day thursday trying to knacker out ds so that he will pass out like a light by 7.45 - but not so much that he falls asleep during the day as he will then refuse to go to bed till half way through Angel at earliest. Think today will be ok - spent most of it running him ragged round kew gardens. Now just have to keep him awake for four more hours!

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willow2 · 29/05/2003 17:16

Spoke to soon - popped upstairs for five minutes to put away washing only for ds to fall asleep on sofa. Resorted to bad mother tactics of waking him up, shovelling a handful of Haribou sweets and a cup of fanta down him before grabbing next door's eight year old and shunting then both under the sprinkler...

Can only hope that I woke him up fast enough.

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October · 29/05/2003 20:25

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