Demonstration against Israeli bombing of Gaza in London on Saturday.

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If anyone is intersted.

It's at 12.30pm along Embankment, nearest tubes Embankment and Charing Cross.

It's being organised by Palestinian Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coaltion and numerous other groups.

I will bump this sporadically, but if anyone else would like to help promote this, plaese bump too.

I will be there.

what i meant lisalisa was that returnisabasichumanright came on here to post inflammatory things, with no record of any other posts on MN. that makes her/him a troll in my eyes.

I do understand the legitimacy of your anger. I am very pleased there is a brilliant film out at the moment, called 'Defiance' about the Bielski brothers who gathered 1,200 people into the forests in Ukraine and kept them safe until the end of the war, through guerilla warfare against the nazis. A very important story.
I know Israel feel they have to defend themselves at all costs and with huge retaliation at each Hamas aggression, but the reality for Palestinian civilians is a living hell, with very few, if any, basic human rights. This is an intolerable position.

It is possible to be anti Zionist without being anti Semitic.

Donnie - i am perfectly calm. And awaiting your response. And I am not accusing anyone other than you. I have said that twice. In fact I was not actually accusing you. Just asking the question of you.

Repeat - Donnie - do you deny the Holocaust happened? Do you believe that the gas chambers/numbers of Jews died have been exaggerated ?

I would imagine that if Donnie continues to refuse to answer the question the implication is going to become obvious. After all , if one is faced with such a dispicalbe statment one usually would dissassociate oneself .

I am waiting. Mumsnet is waiting Donnie.

Yes Seeker it is. Agreed. I have reason to believe however different of Donnie ( not of you) and have laid down this challenge. So far she has failed. I believe that those with views which are challenged quite rightly by law and which constitute a criminal offence should be outed so that the true context of their statements can be assessed by those seeking genuine facts/infomration about the situaiton.

"I amnot accusing anyone other that you"

what are you accusing me of lisalisa?

Donnie - answer the question - now put to you 5 times.

if you are making accusation lisalisa you need to be aware of any legal ramifications.

You are hysterical and sadly deluded - but like I said you aren't getting me riled up, though you try hard. I cannot take you seriously.

I am asking a question Donnie. Your clear and concise failure to answer it can be interpreted both by MN towers and ordinairy MNers posting here and elsehwere on the site in any way they choose.

I am neither hysterical nor deluded. I think we all know who and what you are though.

the worst thing about wars is what happens to children guardian article with distressing picture

Why won't you answer her question donnie?

It's a fairly simple one isn't it?

Thank you missyhissey. Mumsnet is waiting Donnie.

Why should she answer? I have read through this thread and cannot see any reason to accuse Donnie of anti-Semitism. Those of us who oppose Israeli actions do so on political grounds, not religious or racial.

I have not asked Donnie if she is anti-semitic. I have asked her - 6 times now - whether she denies that the holocaust took place or whether she denies 6 million Jews were killed or whether she believes that the extent/facts of the Holocaust have been changed by the Jewish people.

She will not answer that.

And we should know and have a right to know with whom we are debating.

where has she suggested that?

What has Donnie said that makes you suspect her of being a Holocaust denier? I see nothing on this thread that suggests that to me. I hope that there is not an attempt here to deflect criticism of the actions of the Israeli government - that so often happens in this sort of debate.

lisalisa....ask away. It's your choice. Just be aware of any legal ramifications though.

actually yes - lisalisa since you are so rabid about this holocaust denial thing - perhaps you would be able to actually cite the comments to which you refer which have led you to this conclusion?

and then when you have located them and quoted them accurately I will answer your question! good luck with that.

Donnie - "ask away". I have asked 6 times. Presumably, from your silence you intend we draw our own conclusions.

Seeker - I have asked the question as others have asked questions of me and of others. Donnie has chosen not to answer this particular question instead throwing insults and slurs. It is this which has made me narrow in my focus on this issue. Other posters, if asked whether their beliefs include this or that point, answer yes or no. She will not answer this.

Do not deflect from this. It is important.

"Rabid" about Holocaust denial? How can one be "rabid" about such an important matter - such that it is enshrined in law. No wonder you won't answer and throw threats and slurs instead. Your very language stinks of what you are. Every right thinking individual is sickened by Holocuast denial especially when they are invited , on a public forum, to declare their disassociation from it but decline.
Why will you not answer Donnie. What are you ashamed of ?

Threatening me with legal action? Are you sure? You have called me a racist. That is slander and actionable in law. Unfortunatly for you I am a lawyer. Should I sue you then Donnie?

rev - don't distract from this. Donnie has been asked a simple question. Ask yourself this - why won't she answer? Instead she asks me to justify the question? Eh? Should i ask others to justify their questions to me? Do you ask for justification before answering?

the reason I won't answer lisalisa is because there is no case to answer. You have shown through your postings that the reason you are asking me this question is to deflect attention from the questions you have been asked by both myself and other posters. Like I said when you can illustrate clearly through judicious and accurate use of quotations and references to my posts that I am a holocaust denier I will answer the question - but you won't answer my questions, just as I won't answer yours. So there it is. And in the meantime , Palestine burns.....

And rev - yes you would be offended if someone accused you of such a heinous crime because you are a right thinking individual and repelled by such a thought. i doubt you would do what Donnie does though and studiously ignore the question throwing mud instead. You would simply reply that you are not a holocuast denier and say that you are offended . End of.

To answer your questinos I haven't heard of RHR before you referred me to it - I'm reading their wegbsite and manifessto - I can' tcomment on something like this so flippantly. Re Breaking the silence - never heard of it I'm afraid.

the fact that REturn was a troll is irrelevant. that troll had a repugnant opoinion - it doesn't make him or her less of a real person that he posted here simply to make trouble. He/she still exists with that repugnant view in real life. We can't just dismiss it with the word "troll" as if we've killed the person in real life too.

oh and btw lisalisa if you are a lawyer then you are pretty stupid to state that "when I refer to 'this muderous group of people' I am referring to the Palestinians as this" - wouldn't you say?