Assaults in Cologne and other European cities part V

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Thread V

QT now.

for harassment and assault of women to be treated and prosecuted as a hate crime, that way you are asking for something solid rather than just wanting debate. Sexism just isn't seen to be as bad as racism and it should be. Calling a women a 'fucking slag' should be every bit as shocking and disapproved of as calling somebody a 'fucking nigger'

This is what I want.

On New Years Eve, women across the EU were subjected to mass assault.
UK women must be free to travel, work and live without intimidation, hate or sexual violence.
We ask the government to debate and enforce measures to promote and uphold women's rights irrespective of religious/cultural traditions

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How many characters is that?

300!

I agree Pink

Looks good to me.

I like this article that was posted earlier

www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/01/14/pulling-in-the-welcome-mat-as-fear-of-attacks-rise/the-sexual-attacks-on-women-in-europe-reflect-a-misogynistic-mind-set-that-must-be-dismantled
Should we use it?

I know there is tiny url, but what's the other more elegant URL compressor?

Another thread bites the dust.....

Yes Polenta.

vertigo he thinks it sounds anti-men and may alienate some who would sign. However, removing that element is obviously wrong too.

LTB.

Even the last version four? I can't see how it is anti-men?

Vertigo

QT, guns? No particular question on Women.

Just told him I'm leaving him, which prompted him to explain further. He'd prefer to see organised or such like in there.

Justanotherlurker Thu 14-Jan-16 19:18:55
I am absolutely terrified of Selina's experience and apparently people who testify are intimidated. Apparently the tremendous scale and concentration of attacks (is unheard in Europe) and the aftermath of persecuting the people who testify show these things could not have happened at random. Thanks for the translation. The translation I get from cut/paste is not the best and I miss things, I really understand better with my rusty German. Keep posting please.

Just saw the last version. It's good.

polentapies Thu 14-Jan-16 20:29:06

Right.

The whole constitution and principle of the European Union is based on the fundamental right of freedom of movement. Failing this freedom the EU is at risk.

Hi I posted this on The guardian and got 17 upvotes
'The migrant bogeyman is back'
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/14/migrant-bogeyman-europe-mood-refugees#comment-66733691

The article said :
'But instead of answering whether we care more about women or immigrants, we should reject that question altogether. If everything is reduced to identity, xenophobia and racism quickly creep in'

My reply was:
A very unconvincing scaremongering and cheap/worn argument which is trying to put down urgent economic issues.
The truth is women are a higher paid workforce than newly arrived immigrants. The latter offer the lowest wages and undercut / dampen host female pay and also deflate the male wages and I mean males who come from East Europe or those working in the lowest skills. They decrease employers costs in the lower skills and therefore make the new arrivals desirable. Importing cheapest workforce at any cost undermines established EU labour laws and directives and serves only the greed of higher profit . So the article serves only the propaganda of the economic establishment

On New Years Eve, women across the EU were subjected to mass assault.
UK women must be free to travel, work and live without intimidation, hate or sexual violence.
We ask the government to debate and enforce measures to promote and uphold women's rights irrespective of religious/cultural traditions This is very good.

After reading what fourmummy had written I asked my DP, his reply also shocked me. He feels very angry with mainly the feminists who placed cologne on to a gender rather than the males responsible. He says he would sign, to make the streets safer but would find it slightly uncomfortable supporting something that could then be interpretated to include him as a perpetrator.

Pink quoted: ""Taharrush (which means sexual harassment) is also used to terrorize women off the street and out of the public sphere. It is a symptom of a more general misogynous ideology, which includes the idea of “punishing” women for dressing “improperly” in public or even just for appearing in public."

The YouTube clip I saw was of a woman in full burka surrounded by a baying crowd of men, so she was not dressed improperly. There must be a way that these savages select a woman .... anyone know?

venus "Maybe we could ask for harassment and assault of women to be treated and prosecuted as a hate crime"

It i a hate crime, which I've said all along. Women are one of the protected groups in the Equality Act, but not necessarily in the Hate Crime legislation.

"It i a hate crime, which I've said all along. Women are one of the protected groups in the Equality Act, but not necessarily in the Hate Crime legislation."

I call the government to integrate sexual harassment and misogyny in the Hate Crime legislation.
Thanks.