9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

Claig, I don't see any evidence for this idea of crisis actors and you haven't provided any.

I can't imagine how the families and friends of these poor murdered people feel having to deal with all this insane nonsense all over the Internet. And people posting these ideas on the victims family and friends Facebook pages, it really beggars belief that people could be so cruel.

'Claig, I don't see any evidence for this idea of crisis actors and you haven't provided any.'

Go to youtube or type crisis actors false flag in google and you will find tons of it and on youtube you will see what looks like the same woman being interviewed in different crises.

Good grief claig.
I can only assume you are trying to wind people up. If not, you need to step away from the Internet.
The only horror revealing itself tonight is the weird susceptibility of some people to believe utter utter nonsense.

'I can only assume you are trying to wind people up'

Absolutely not. I am only saying that there are tons of conspiracies about crisis actors and false flag conspiracies all over the internet and youtube - none by the mainstream media, but by ordinary people making youtube videos for what they believe are conspiracies.

Googling was the first thing I did Claig, of course it was. But there's no evidence out there, just lots of photos and claims. Nothing that would in any way prove or even suggest that this is true.

I suppose you don't think that the victims families and friends are suffering, as you're happy that they're actors.

Conspiracy theorists are having crap sex.

'I suppose you don't think that the victims families and friends are suffering, as you're happy that they're actors.'

I didn't say every event is a false flag or uses crisis actors. The terrible bombing in Turkey is real, but there are different theories about who did it. Erdogan, who has an election on Nov 1, says it was probably Isis, but some Kurds think it was the "Deep State" and blame Erdogan.

Yes, more than sceptical and believe direct involvement and years of planning rather than 'allowing' it to happen. It was the new Pearl Harbour they needed to do all the crap they've done since.

Sorry, how do you know the Turkey bomb is "real" where others are not? What signs should we be looking for to determine what's "real" and what's an elite conspiracy?

'What signs should we be looking for to determine what's "real" and what's an elite conspiracy?'

You need to watch TV news reports and listen to interviews and see if you think what is said is real and is how real people would act after a tragedy. Some "crisis actors" are not very convincing.

Ah, ok, that's really helpful. So it boils down to just my personal opinion, makes it nice and simple.

I believe there are details we don't know because we don't need to know them.

'So it boils down to just my personal opinion, makes it nice and simple.'

It always comes down to that in the same way as it is your opinion whether a politician is telling the truth or lying. It is a judgement that you make based on opinion whether you are being lied to (about Savile, Cyril Smith and the rest) or being told the truth that there has been no Establishment coverup about any of it.

So, just to be clear Claig, you don't accept any fact or evidence as it could potentially be provided to you as part of an elite conspiracy. Instead you have to rely on your own feelings about what you read or see on TV. Is there anyone/any organisation that you can rely on to tell the truth?

'So, just to be clear Claig, you don't accept any fact or evidence as it could potentially be provided to you as part of an elite conspiracy.'

I am sceptical of what I am told and keep an open mind and then form a judgement whether something is real or whether I am being lied to about Savile, Cyril Smith and all the rest. Yes, you use your common sense and experience to dertermine whether you are being lied to.

' Is there anyone/any organisation that you can rely on to tell the truth?'

From experience, it seems to me that the Daily Mail comes close except about issues which they are not allowed to tell the truth about or about which they have an agenda.

Yep, I find the DM to be a beacon of truth and factual reporting. But, hang on, isn't it owned by one of the elite?? How do I know if Viscount Rothermere is an elite I can trust or one who's part of the conspiracy?

'But, hang on, isn't it owned by one of the elite?? How do I know if Viscount Rothermere is an elite I can trust or one who's part of the conspiracy?'

You have to form a judgement about him based on what his paper says and campaigns about, and on that basis it is clear that he is one of the good guys.

It might be nice if he would pay some tax in the UK, don't you think?

'It might be nice if he would pay some tax in the UK, don't you think?'

Comapred to what some of the other elite do, that is small fry and he is not breaking any laws. You have to take everything in perspective and realise that the protectors of Jimmy Savile are bad guys and Viscount Rothermere is not.

No other MNer can squirt utter bullshit all over a thread like our claig

It's fascinating isn't it? And weirdly compelling.

Under, the truth is not bullshit.
It can sometimes be hard to take and to believe, but that doesn't make it any the less true.

'It's fascinating isn't it?'

It is fascinating because it is what really goes on behind the curtain and is not the story that we, the people, are told.

It only seems to be the "truth" because you believe it to be, Claig. And seeing as you're an Internet random who I know next to nothing about, I won't be taking your word for it.

"The truth" is irrefutable facts. You've just said it's your opinion when challenged for these.