9/11. Not interested in a debate here, but can we just have a quick show of hands?

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I'm just interested in how many people around here are also highly skeptical of what we have been told about 9/11.

I'm really not after a debate (it would be long, involved, probably pointless and personally I have done this elsewhere), but I just wanted to see who is around.

It has very strong ongoing relevance for current world events.

Many thanks.

'No, it's pushed by a lot of mainstream christian organizations in the states to the rabid right wing religious zealots'

If you had done some basic conspiracy research, you would realise that most of that lot are bought and paid for and get tax emptions etc and lots of the pastors are rregularly caught in sex stings and drug busts in motel rooms. It's a con to fool the people.

' rabid right wing religious zealots that Trump is courting for support and professing his love of god to.'

Trump is playing a game, he is an act, he wants to win and become President and then the elite don't know what he will do when he ends his act and that is why they are deperate to stop him.

'Alex Jones believes in it as well. Why do you always think he thinks something terrible is on the way?'

I used to listen to Alex Jones. He does not believe in the rapture. He thinks something terrible is on the way because of what the elite are planning, not God. He thinks the elite are planning terrible things because he has studied their games for more than 20 years.

'"The coming collapse" '

No the coming collapse is the elite's engineered economic collapse and enforced austerity so that their puppet clas can bring in their New World Order, it has nothing to do with the return of Christ or the coming of the Antichrist, the rapture etc.

' if you were to read that goon cartoon World News Daily (tell me you don't it's fu,cking ridiculous!) they spout off about the rapture being imminent (and immanent) all the time.'

I don't read it. I stick to the facts. I read the Daily Mail.

'It's just another religious tool being used to scare you and keep you docile'

But I don't read it or believe it. I said that most of teh preachers and pastors are phoneys who are bought and paid for and are up to all sorts of scandals and are in the pockets of the elite.

'Would that be the Pat Buchanan that believes in The Rapture?'

He doesn't believe in the Rapture. Pat Buchanan is a Catholic and as far as I know, Catholics don't believe in the Rapture.

'the rest of them there folks you think as foolish servants of the elite'

I don't think the servants are foolish. They have their eyes open, they know what they are doing. They do it for power, money and privilege and some do it because they are blackmailed. They are servants who get rewards and crumbs from the table for their service to the elites.

You do believe it, as all this whole baloney is, is an updated version of right wing American christian eschatology, repackaged and marketed for an age where most people no longer believe in god. But if you have a bit of time and can prise your tightly closed mind even slightly open, try scratching below the surface and researching the beliefs of the people who are behind all the theories you spout.

Fire and brimstone TV conspiracy evangelists for a new godless age of information warfare. Luckily for these snake oil salesmen there is still one born every minute. Don't worry if it gets too scary, you can always wipe your arse with one of your copies of The Daily Mail if you get caught short. The good people of middle England will forgive you.

I don't know if you've ever seen the TV program 'You've been framed' but just think of yourself as being in a cosmic version of that and then see if the 'truth' slowly starts to dawn.

Bye again!!

'is an updated version of right wing American christian eschatology'

But I don't believe any of that and nor do most conspiracy researchers and the youtube citizen journalists exposing the "crisis actors".

'I don't know if you've ever seen the TV program 'You've been framed''

It sounds like you have watched it too much if you believe that conspiracy research has got anything to do with American christian eschatology. The elite and their servant class will try every trick in the book to put the people off the scent, but their game will be up if Trump gets in.

As Pat Buchanan said

"The lights are burning late tonight in the suites of the establishment tonight"

Whizzkids and policy wonks and spinners are all trying to stop Trump, but the people are just laughing and voting for Trump.

The elite and their servant class will try every trick in the book to put the people off the scent

That's what the christian fundies say about the devil....but no, nothing at all to do with Christian eschatology!

Bye!

Nice point about the Christian eschatology theunfairersex. One characteristic of the current age is the desire in some to find themselves in amongst the special people who know the truth and can look forward to the day when the outsiders are punished for their lack of belief.

To my mind it's related to the Just-world hypothesis.

I have listened to Alex Jones's interview with Daniel Hopsicker in 2005 on youtube. Don't bother listening tio it, it is a waste of time. Alex Jones has the courage to spell out what he thinks happened, but Hopsicker doesn't commit on anything, he doesn't go there.

I would say that the very fact that you are saying do not bother listening to the interview, may make it of interest to some people, given your previous history of being able to accurately assess the validity of information, so here is the link.

The difference between Hopsicker and Jones is that Hopsicker deals with facts, he puts them together and sees where they might point and does not speculate too much beyond the data.

Jones, on the other hand, works from the premise that he has the answers and then finds facts to fit his prejudices/opinions.

One of these ways of working is fairly scientific and one is quackery.

Which is which?

I've always thought the pentagon attack was iffy

There is a youtube interview of Roger Stone, a Trump insider, on the Alex Jones Show.

Wow! Staggering stuff. It looks like this US election is going to be real democracy like nothing else.

Stone says Trump is for real. He says "Trump knows there is something hinky about 911", he says the power structure is going out of their mind, Trump vanquished Jeb and now they're elevating Rubio as the next puppet of the Establishment and Trump is prepared to devastate him too.

Go Trump! Go the people!

He says the Clintons and Establishment will probably throw mob accusations against Trump, but says it is untrue because you can't get New Jersey casino licences if you are in with the mob, everything is closely checked. He says Trump is clean and they have nothing on him.

If Trump wins, their entire game is up.

I feel sorry for the global warming gang, the servants will be out of a job.

"Let's make America great again!"

Trump 2016!

There aren't enough teenage whizzkids from Oxbridge on the planet to stop Trump.

Go Trump! Go the people!

If Trump wins, it is the end of political correctness and the start of truth and that will sweep servants out of their jobs worldwide.