Part 3: Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[AndHarry]

New thread as part 2 is nearly full.

Part 1 is here.

Part 1 was started when 3 Israeli boys were found murdered.

Part 2 is here.

In part 2 we mainly discussed the legality and human consequences of Operation Protective Edge.

Wel

Well done goshanne!

Shirley here you go. You'll notice that we re quite well read and can cite sources as well as opinions.
m.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/25/1316778/-Israel-admits-HAMAS-didn-t-kidnap-the-3-Israeli-teens-afterall

I've read all three articles and have been following this thread closely.
All I see here is what people are being forced from channel 4 and Sky News.
You have NO idea what it is like for Palestinians in Gaza, you have NO idea what it's like to live under Hamas rule.
I am no way saying what the Jewish are doing is good but you people simply do not know the hardship.
Our Moslem brothers and sisters are being massacred every day for speaking out against Hamas, it's very easy for you all here waving your banners and flags at these Israil and Palestine solidarity protestings. YOU are not the ones that are living under this dictatorship.
EVERYTHING would have been fine if Fatah were our leaders, they wanted to live in peace with the Jewish and we would all be happy.
Hamas KILLED them all in the most horrible way, thanks to Allah some of them escaped to Ramala and we still have Mahmoud Abas, the only leader that DOES care for our brothers and sisters.
Hamas were given billions of dollars for OUR people to build schools, to build hospitals, money for us to finally get out of the darkness. What did they do? WHERE IS THIS MONEY?!?!? Our people were supposed to have shelters for times like this, the only shelter is reserved for the Hamas in the tunnels and their leaders are in Qtar in 5 star hotels and private planes with restaurants all day while our people are dying.
Praise Allah that I am writing this for of my people from the internet where I am safe, if I speak out there, even my worst nightmare could not think of what would happen to me.
When the CNN and Sky News people accidental film something Hamas does not want the world to see, they threaten to kill them.
When our people try to leave an area after warnings, Hamas threatens them. they give guns to our children so the Israil soldiers will shoot back at them.
Why is the world speaking about Jihad in Syria and Iraq saying these are bad people but they don't want to ask questions on Hamas????
Yes I am angry at the Jewish and yes I pray every day for this to stop but with Hamas, this will never end, they just want to kill the Jewish and they don't care about anyone but themselves.
We need Mahmoud Abbas to save us because the people of Gaza can not speak about this.
I pray every night that Allah and Mohammad PBUH will make this stop.
People from the west you are not helping us, people of Israil please PLEASE show restraints like the UN AND your evil friends in AMERICA have been BEGGING you!!! We need Mahmoud Abbas we do not need more war and killing.

Reading through this thread I find it quite astonishing that people are so ignorant that they cannot see Hamas for the terrorists that they are. The people of Gaza are 100% used as human shields, they are not allowed to evacuate when Israel gives them advance warnings as Hamas will kill them if they do! Hamas uses money given to them not to better the lives of their people but to build tunnels and buy rockets, etc. Israel has to defend itself, Israel has to get rid of Hamas and any other terrorist organisation that threatens it. If Hamas laid down its weapons, all this would stop, If Israel laid down its weapons there would be no Israel!
Were you all up in arms when England went into Afghanistan and Iraq and civilians were killed through the fighting that went on?? I don't think so. Open your eyes people and realise that all Israel wants is to live in peace and if this is what it takes to do that then this is what they must do!

shirleyparmer sigh
Israel started the war. They cynically used the deaths of those teenagers as an excuse to attack Hamas, breaking a ceasefire that Hamas had abided by since 2012.
The murder of the teenagers was apparently not even carried out by Hamas, but by a random group in response the IDF killing of two Palestinian teenagers. I saw the footage of those deaths, btw.
Hamas had just formed a government of unity with Fatah, something Israel was hell-bent on avoiding.
Hamas rockets were in response to Israel breaking the ceasefire after the deaths of the teenagers.
As reprehensible as those killings were, nowhere on Planet Sane is what they are doing an appropriate response.
Gazans have suffered for years. They basically live in an open-air prison. And you blame them for voting for Hamas?
Any thoughts on the Israelis who voted for Likud? I can't see how they are in any way shape or form better than Hamas.
Any thoughts on the hundreds of dead children blown to pieces by Israeli bombs, as they sheltered in a UN compound, despite UN officials notifying the IDF SEVENTEEN times that there were families of civilian refugees there?
Israel has committed war crimes, is probably committing more as I type, and you come here and you actually defend them?

Awful lot of news posters this evening.

I posted earlier in the threads as panachronic, an account I set up cos i forgot my password for my inaugural account as WasabiMonster. I forgot password for panachronic and when I re-set password I see I am back to WM. Sorry just thought I'd let you all know. Like most of you I'm finding what is happening extremely distressing and just want it to stop. Where is the humanity?

ReigningQueen ha ha Daily Kos!!! is that the best you can do?

That's one of many articles you can find. Try searching.

shirleyparmer do you have any comments on the shelling of the UN school? The one the IDF bombed this morning despite being told repeatedly the co-ordinates?
Or too busy having a giggle?

Springheeled and I suppose that Hamas doesn't hide rockets in schools and hospitals? or fire those rockets indiscriminately without warning?

Didn't Hamas gain a majority in the open and free elections Aisha?

well said lk14

Just watching Channel 4 news for the daily dose of horror and heartbreak, brought us courtesy of the IDF and Netanyahu.
Fucking monsters.

I think you will find, shirleyparmer that at this present time it is the IDF who are shelling and bombing indiscriminately.

Weird how many new posters- why here? Why now?

WasabiMonster they killed fatah, in the streets, this was a warning to people voting. they made no secret of this and there is alot of evidence.

I can hazard a bit of a guess Springheeled....

Backinthering many times it has been proved later on that it was a Hamas missile that misfired. You do know that hundred of their rockets have been responsible for the deaths of their own ppl. Get your fact right before spouting crap!!

I can't bring myself to watch the news at the moment. How can this be allowed to continue??

I'm not new btw. Have been a mumsnetter for a few years and have been reading this thread for a while

Aisha how was Eid in Gaza? We all felt for you being bombed and killed when it should have been a day of celebration.