Sadly, I think farage was probably right

[MarathonFan]

Romanians next door

I know the right minded middle classes on Mumsnet will think his comments outrageous but among people I know in less affluent areas where this is actually happening (rather than naice white British areas where it's less likely to be a real "problem") it would cause concern.

A few doors from here we have a Lithuanian family (not the same thing at all I know but East Europeans often lumped together). The children go to school with mine and they are a lovely family but among the other neighbours they are viewed very much with suspicion - one calls the police every time they have friends visiting because "they must be up to no good when that many of "them" get together"

So whilst I don't agree with Farage, I hope I'd take any new neighbour as I found them, I do think he's probably right when he says "most" people would be concerned and with some grounds as Romanian gangs are responsible for a lot of crime.

Obviously the man's an idiot and a dangerous one at that but sadly, I think he is talking the same language as a lot of people on the UK and not allowing factual things to be said just strengthens their feeling that white British people are losing all their rights while immigrants are untouchable.

Tortoise, which data are you looking at? I was looking at country of birth (which could differ from nationality admittedly), and I got 145,000 Jamaica, 28,000 Vietnam, 91,000 Somalia, and 101,000 Romania. On that basis only Vietnam is higher than Romania.

I think country of birth is preferable (because if you've spent 30 years in Vietnam and naturalized after 5 years in the UK, the Vietnamese background is much longer), but obviously the prison figures look at nationality (though how they handled dual nationality I don't know), so my figures might not be that reliable.

Obviously we don't have an open immigration policy from Vietnam or Somalia though, whereas we do from Romania.

Dolina - you're barely literate. Please shut the f* up about schools of thought. Go and learn some English.

Quite enjoying watching dolina trying to argue with the grown-ups, in an idle 'poke the would-be-trolly-numpty with a stick' kind of way.

People commit crimes for many reasons. Their nationality is not one of them.

Their income, education, circumstances, available choices, access to public funds etc are some of the reasons why some groups are over represented in the criminal justice system.

Romanians are not a homogeneous lump anymore than UK born people are. I have worked with Romanian families who are working and living an entirely respectable life. I have worked with Romanian families who are living an odd and unenviable half life and existing in the only way they know how.

It would stupid to state that no Romanians commit crime but it would be beyond moronic to state that Romanians commit crime because they are Romanian.

Farage is a fucking moron.

Well said, DW.

I was looking at table 2.3, nationality (because "country of birth" will include people born abroad who came to the UK as children and also, I assume, UK nationals who just happen to have been born abroad (I know several white British people who happen to have been born in Nigeria, for example, because that's where their parents were working at the time)).

Are there statistics to say migrant workers are unskilled? The ones I know are well qualified but do do lower paid work here than they are qualified to do

I would imagine that the proportion of Nigerian-born people in the UK who do not have Nigerian parents is quite low.

For Romania there were only 7,000 born there on the 2001 Census, but 101,000 in 2012. Clearly there has not been a sudden baby boom among British people in Romania.

Maybe that's what Dolina meant by 'disproportionately unskilled'. Out if proportion with their real qualifications and abilities

So there are lots of Romanisns in the UK now compared to 11 years ago. Is that the point you're trying to make? Times have changed. Now get over the hysteria.

Yes, you'll notice that the Romanian figures for "born in Romania" and "Romanian nationality" are quite similar. But that doesn't apply to the other nationalities under discussion.

In my opinion, if someone is a British citizen then they are a British citizen and I'm not going to start down the "no, you're really [insert other nationality here] because you were born there" route. If you want to do that, knock yourself out, but I'm going on nationality.

Do people really have such short memories? Do you remember the predicted floods of immigrants coming by land, by air, by sea on the stroke of 12 on the 1st of January this year? And how it hasn't happened. We are talking lies and hatred spouted 4 months ago. Have you forgotten the abject articles run by the abject tabloids?

I thought the 7000 Romanians were born in Nigeria

try this for proportions

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has happened here, LadywithLapdog, although probably since the summer of last year (the arbitrary jan date was always ridiculous when most could always come over anyway)

apparently a village moved here (reputable source of info)

Buffy, do you mean prevalence vs incidence? Yeah, I'm sure that given enough time in the UK to commit their many crimes the Romanians may reach the heights of crime stats of the UKIP MEPs :)

www.partnersinsalford.org/bme-directory.htm

on here at the bottom is an interesting article about roma in the uk. it explains, imo, some of the areas of conflict when large numbers of roma move 'en masse' to an area, as well as the oppression they have previously faced. it focuses on salford but has other examples from elsewhere

www.partnersinsalford.org/bme-directory.htm

Plenty Romanians over here, they came before 1/1/14 and said "they were self employed" sold the big issue and claimed all the benefits, that's how they work it. Big issue sellers are self employed. I have a friend that works for a homeless charity and she told me 80% of what she deals with are foreigners (Romanians and Poles). Ask nurses the money spent getting interpretors for foreigners in hospitals after being resident years. Visit Catholics schools overflowing with polish kids and it's not middle class poles it's deprived poles!

No one minds professional types migrating. My neighbour are Russian merchant bankers on one side and some wacky Dutch couple on the other and even an Indian doctor opposite. I don't mind any of them. If you moved some housing benefit type in everyone (including myself) who be concerned. The point I'm making is the "cream of these countries" is not coming over it's well the xxxx. What's so wrong with Australian immigration policies? We had them before 2004, we also managed to trade with Europe before 1992.

even an Indian doctor?

What they let them be doctors now?

Like listening to Alf Garnet!