Sadly, I think farage was probably right

[MarathonFan]

Romanians next door

I know the right minded middle classes on Mumsnet will think his comments outrageous but among people I know in less affluent areas where this is actually happening (rather than naice white British areas where it's less likely to be a real "problem") it would cause concern.

A few doors from here we have a Lithuanian family (not the same thing at all I know but East Europeans often lumped together). The children go to school with mine and they are a lovely family but among the other neighbours they are viewed very much with suspicion - one calls the police every time they have friends visiting because "they must be up to no good when that many of "them" get together"

So whilst I don't agree with Farage, I hope I'd take any new neighbour as I found them, I do think he's probably right when he says "most" people would be concerned and with some grounds as Romanian gangs are responsible for a lot of crime.

Obviously the man's an idiot and a dangerous one at that but sadly, I think he is talking the same language as a lot of people on the UK and not allowing factual things to be said just strengthens their feeling that white British people are losing all their rights while immigrants are untouchable.

'Someone's had a pint too many.'

You can never have too much milk.

The Man? Yo cat, whatever.

humns theme to Shaft

The Man is the establishment, the elite and as Farage said in the debate with Cleggy
"Join the people's army, let's topple the establishment that got us into this mess"

The attacks on Farage are a sign that The Man is rattled.

[...] too much milk.

British cows, yes? Milked by British hands. Distributed to everyone, even British racists. Oh, man.

NF as a revolutionary. Truly, people are fucking stupid to give him airtime.

This is from the Telegraph journalist who was on newsnight tonight

"Ukip is a very British revolution"

blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100215169/ukip-is-a-very-british-revolution/

To understand why, you have to understand The Man.

"Radical leftists" are no threat to The Man which is why they are always invited onto TV.

Farage is attacked by every newspaper and every news channel because The Man is rattled, because leaving the EU is against the wishes of The Man.

How weird. I was about to write that we are seeing a Very British Revolution, before I saw what you had posted Claig.

And it that drama is the very scary moment when Francis Urqhuat tells the usurper that his people have ruled since the Middle Ages and have no intention of giving up power. Spooky.

Anyone who follows politocs knows that UKIP is all about leaving the EU - not immigration as the media seems to be intent on dwelling on. Anything to keep the focus off leaving the EU. I'm pretty disgsuted with them.

So, how do you solve a problem like Farage. He's beaten cancer and survived a plane crash. If I were him I'd stay away from men carrying umbrellas.

The attacks on Farage are a sign that The Man is rattled.

Farage went to one of the very top public schools in the country (Dulwich) and then worked as a City trader. He's pretty 'establishment' himself.

But I don't care about his background other than the fact he misrepresents it. He was caught lying about Romanians on the news tonight, with completely made up stats about their criminality.

They can't stop Farage. He is so positive,so cheerful, so optimistic, so full of bonhomie, so happy with a fag and a pint, that nothing will get him down. None of the attacks by the establishment will really affect him and that is why the people back him even more. The people know that whatever they throw at him, Farage won't quit and they think that he is the type of straight-talking, spirited, fearless, honest person that can actually fix the country. They don't come around often, but the people think they have seen one now.

So, how do you solve a problem like Farage. He's beaten cancer and survived a plane crash.

That's the interesting thing about Farage and UKIP. He's a doughty little scrapper and a big personality. But he's in lousy health and if he dropped dead tomorrow UKIP would wither and die probably.

'He's pretty 'establishment' himself'

Just because someone comes from the establishment doesn't mean that they won't rock the status quo. George Orwell went to Eton, but he wasn't in the Bullingdon Club as far as I know.

One thing I would like to see addressed is the amount of homeless Eastern Europeans and Turkish males living on the streets of Chester.

The locals May not see it much but believe me the numbers are amazing. My friend is a street cleaner who starts early in the morning. She is truely shocked and sometimes frightened by what is going on.

'UKIP would wither and die probably'

No, it is a movement. It is a revolution because it matches the public mood. For years, UKIP did not have such success and did not match teh public mood, but now it does because teh public have had enough of the failure of teh political class who do not represent them.

"This is the home of Britain's Ukip's revolution.

Two years ago, Ramsey became the first town to be controlled by the anti-Europe party."

"The complaints are common to many parts of Britain. But why Ramsey? "This part of the world has a history of thinking outside of the box," says Mr Reeve. "The revolution against the king started here. The pub was owned by Crowmell's borther. If something's going wrong, people will tolerate so much from their political class. But they hit a point where, actually, they're not putting up with it any more." Quite what they refuse to put up with remains unclear. But if the question is muddled, the answer seems to be Ukip."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/as-the-uk-gears-up-for-the-polls-what-is-life-like-in-britains-only-ukipcontrolled-town-8599144.html

I'd much, much rather live next door to Romanians than UKIP supporters.

"Quite what they refuse to put up with remains unclear. But if the question is muddled, the answer seems to be Ukip"

This is what The Man is trying to understand. Why?
It is no use The Man asking Cleggy and the Oxbridge crew because not one of them has a clue. To understand it, you have to understand the people who shake Farage's hand and think he is "one of us". The elite don't get it, they can't understand it, because they don't understand the people.

I didn't like the way Paxo ended the interview by asking Farage "How's your health?"

Was that a scripted question?

I am honestly giggling over the idea that a public-school-educated stockbroker who is fine with handing over british sovereignty to foreign corporations (go look up TIPP some time, UKIP are in favour), dismantling the NHS and importing even more of the foreign ideology Thatcher followed as being in any way against The Man. And he has the cheek to bang on about Romanians even though they're leaving in droves.

Basically a vote for UKIP is a vote for 'what we were getting from the tories, only harder and rougher'

And, since they have a lovely habit of calling the police on dissenters, with even less lube.

Farridge and those like him don't like dissent. When their 'facts' are proved wrong they get the police in.

Farridge and UKIP are that patriotic, like Kisses wrote, that they're willing to hand untold power to foreign corporations under TTIP. If you haven't heard of that it's because the corporations and the European Council are trying to keep it quiet.

Was that a scripted question?

It's a fair question. Despite being younger than Johnny Depp (!) Farage looks considerably older, has an unhealthy lifestyle, and has a number of extremely debilitating health problems, including spinal damage. I remember John Smith being asked exactly the same questions when he was Labour leader.

The pint and the fag will take their toll too. And the stress of living with a German wife and German speaking sons. That must be pretty exhausting for a man like him.

I think if anyone has experienced the aggressive begging from the Roma: wiping a filthy rag over your windscreen when you stop at traffic lights, despite your protests, then demanding money for their trouble, women cradling sleeping (probably drugged) babies, toddlers (I have walked past some of these beggars 3-4 hours later and the dcs haven't moved from their sleeping position) in Oxford street and demanding money, imported Roma Big issue sellers WTF will understand Nigel Farages sentiments and his comments will resonate with them.

difference with poles etc

i still think romanian doesnt mean nationality
it is a code for east european roma. so the difference with poles etc is ethnicity not nationality.

if you have had a large influx of roma to your town, you will see the difference. a lot of mental health problems. a lot of physical disabilities. a lack of schooling so truanting. begging. pickpocketing. stealing for scrap. chucking rubbish out in the street

ignoring this does not make it go away

it is a big strain on local resources (schools hospitals gp police tax credits ) for poor working class communities

national support in the form of money but also community workers is welcome but not much in evidence
all we get are cuts to local authority budgets.

Farage is conflating Romanian and Roma (who may or may not be Romanian).