Sadly, I think farage was probably right

[MarathonFan]

Romanians next door

I know the right minded middle classes on Mumsnet will think his comments outrageous but among people I know in less affluent areas where this is actually happening (rather than naice white British areas where it's less likely to be a real "problem") it would cause concern.

A few doors from here we have a Lithuanian family (not the same thing at all I know but East Europeans often lumped together). The children go to school with mine and they are a lovely family but among the other neighbours they are viewed very much with suspicion - one calls the police every time they have friends visiting because "they must be up to no good when that many of "them" get together"

So whilst I don't agree with Farage, I hope I'd take any new neighbour as I found them, I do think he's probably right when he says "most" people would be concerned and with some grounds as Romanian gangs are responsible for a lot of crime.

Obviously the man's an idiot and a dangerous one at that but sadly, I think he is talking the same language as a lot of people on the UK and not allowing factual things to be said just strengthens their feeling that white British people are losing all their rights while immigrants are untouchable.

Some of the most thick as pigshit, misogynistic and racist people I have ever met have been teachers and policemen.
Very very worrying.

Ok Buffy I'm sure you would just love a load of Roma gypsies tipping their rubbish outside living next to you, I will give it a miss thanks all the same.

Lapdog lady I never said I am presently teaching as an occupation
I'm a qualified teacher that's what I said, ok.

My mother often called children in my presence dumbos, thick, stupid she was a head teacher for many many years. She called many a child clever too, she saw the difference.

Bet they'd be really quiet neighbours, what with being drugged and sleeping in 3-4 hour stretches as encountered by the concerned pp above.

Dolina - goes to show what being disrespectful breeds. But you know, don't blame it all on your mum. You have a choice to use your brain to overcome your shit upbringing. Racism is not genetic.

My mother often called children in my presence dumbos, thick, stupid she was a head teacher for many many years. She called many a child clever too, she saw the difference.

I find this ....incredibly sad.

Dolina, it's not surprising that you have the attitudes you do, if you were brought up like that. But you are an adult, and you don't have to think like that any more. The world has moved on.

I, too, am surprised, BTW, that a qualified teacher writes the way you do (we all make mistakes, and typos always get in, but there are limits). I find it even more surprising now you have said you were brought up by someone serving as a Head Teacher.

I'd be far more worried if a bunch of UKIP supporters moved in next door....

Farage was right, but not very nice about it. Of course any given family from any nation could be lively or horrid. But just on the evidence we are mad to allow uncontrolled immigration from Romania and Lithuania, because these countries have the highest incarceration rate in our prisons, along with Jamaicans and Nigerians (and for those two we have been giving massive aid to try and repatriate their criminals).

It's not 'why is Farage such a beastly racist', but 'Why on earth do we want disproportionately unskilled [we don't check if they are, unlike, say, Americans], disproportionately criminal, people coming to England which already has one of the world's highest population densities and has a housing crisis'. That's the real question.

And there is simply no good answer. That's why UKIP will win the Euro Election. Because without any kind of vote consultation we have acquired 1.5 million immigrants from countries we previously had no connection with. It's insane.

lovely, even. 'Lively' is of course estate agent code for 'lots of stabbings in the area'.

'disproportionately criminal'? Erm, in proportion to what? To total numbers? To the English people?

It's not just NF 'wasn't very nice'. He's spouting racist shit and inciting hate.

Disproportionate to every other nationality in the UK, including British, Nigerian, Jamaican and so on.

Lady with lap dog. Perhaps you should go and learn about the Frankfurt school of Economics researching this is what has convinced me to vote UKIP.

Can you give a source for that, AgaPanthers? I can't find anything relevant on the ONS site, but it isn't always the easiest to search so I might be missing something.

The stats are here for prisons:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/offender-management-statistics-quarterly--2

and here for country of birth www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/population-by-country-of-birth-and-nationality/2012/population-by-country-of-birth-and-nationality-report.html

Buffy obviously I do, I am sick of political correctness and having lefty propaganda shoved down my throat. I do not have racist views thank you very much, please refrain yourself from implying I do.

Not it's not and lots of people are understanding what going on a bit more now and others are being "good little Marxists" like yourself.

As soon as someone says "political correctness" they have lost the argument. It's a 'go-to' expression for people who know they are wrong, but can't think of a reasonable counter argument.

If anyone's wondering about the Frankfurt school conspiracy stuff, it's all about those pesky Jews using Marxism to subvert the West under the twin arms of 'Political Correctness' and 'Cultural Marxism'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_conspiracy_theory

It's a conspiracy theory which has actually led me to give up on the Daily Telegraph, as every political story they run has a comment section infested with commentators screaming 'Frankfurt school' and listing verbatim those 11 subversionary tactics in the Wiki article.

Looking at your own figures, it looks to me as though a significantly higher proportion of Vietnamese (350 prisoners from estimated population of 16,000), Jamaican (783 prisoners from estimated population of 51,000) and Somalian (408 prisoners from estimated population of 43,000) nationals are in prison than Romanians (671 prisoners from estimated population of 102,000).

Romanian levels are higher than, though not massively out of step with Afghan (169 prisoners from estimated population of 29,000), Iraqi (172 prisoners from estimated population of 30,000), Iranian (203 prisoners from estimated population of 39,000) or Nigerian (545 prisoners from estimated population of 105,000) nationals.

(Disclaimer: these tables are taking prison populations for England and Wales and comparing them to estimated population by nationality for the UK as a whole, so we have to assume that that discrepancy has a roughly equal effect across the board)

Buffy: What's your problem with the word refrain? Please enlighten me? I wouldn't use the word restrain as that suggest physical whereas
refrain can be used in a legal term.

Oh I get it your back to the grammar seriously get a grip!