Sadly, I think farage was probably right

[MarathonFan]

Romanians next door

I know the right minded middle classes on Mumsnet will think his comments outrageous but among people I know in less affluent areas where this is actually happening (rather than naice white British areas where it's less likely to be a real "problem") it would cause concern.

A few doors from here we have a Lithuanian family (not the same thing at all I know but East Europeans often lumped together). The children go to school with mine and they are a lovely family but among the other neighbours they are viewed very much with suspicion - one calls the police every time they have friends visiting because "they must be up to no good when that many of "them" get together"

So whilst I don't agree with Farage, I hope I'd take any new neighbour as I found them, I do think he's probably right when he says "most" people would be concerned and with some grounds as Romanian gangs are responsible for a lot of crime.

Obviously the man's an idiot and a dangerous one at that but sadly, I think he is talking the same language as a lot of people on the UK and not allowing factual things to be said just strengthens their feeling that white British people are losing all their rights while immigrants are untouchable.

I don't know about the population as a whole but in my very white British, very working class part of the SE, where we have had a big influx of East Europeans there are very many people who feel that way, yes.

That was my point - nice middle class people, living in nice areas which immigration has only touched to a very small degree (and often then it's doctors/solicitors etc) can easily dismiss these concerns. Not so easy when you're living it and the very real problems some of them do cause.

Equally people living in properly multi-cultural area may have fewer concerns because it's not the fear of the unknown for them in the same way.

Instead of saying "This is the way people feel, let's show them they're worrying about nothing.", Farage has been happily fuelling the flames because it suits his agenda.

I think that's why he's wrong to have said what he did.

Not allowing him (or them) to say it

Nobody, but nobody, is being prevented from saying anything. That's a complete fallacy. There is a huge debate about immigration going on in this country and it has been going on at full pelt since before the last election.

If your neighbours are not being listened to, OP, it is not because they are white Britons, it is probably because increasingly politicians ignore ordinary voters across the board. I mean, you aren't suggesting politicians are listening to immigrants and people from ethnic minorities, are you? Because I can assure you they aren't. Party donors, the ultra-wealthy, media moguls and lobbyists yes, people like me, hell no.

If there is a problem here it is that racists want to say racist things without suffering the stigma of being labelled racists.

romanian is being used a short hand for roma
discriminating by nationality rather than ethnic group
many east european roma are incredibly hard work as neighbours. they come from a background of prejudice and discrimination, but they are still hard work wrt school truancy, begging, theft and burglary. that is how it is where i live, anyway.

I watched a programme on the tv last summer which had film of the roma who run pickpocket gangs in European capital cities. Horrible, they have children doing the crime and returning the takings to the controllers.

So if much of the pickpocketing is down to them than the stats will show that they carry out the most crimes. Though stats are always behind the times so hopefully this isn't happening now.

So NF is prob correct about the crime figures whether interviewers barrack him or not.

Watched C4 news this evening and listened to the Romanian woman saying that she would not like to live next door to Romanians.

ROFLMAO at that!

Jon Slow of Channel 4 News didn't know what to do.

Yep, it was hilarious.

Now Newnight is banging on about it too. I am especially disappointed in Jeremy Paxman as I thought he was too intelligent to focus on something as trivial as Farage's remarks about Romanians, when he should know the big picture is actually the inability of the UK to police its own borders.

And don't get me started on Nick Robinson on the BBC. He really is going to far as a so-called political commentator. On Five Live last night they were gleefully calling Farage 'a worm'.

If I was Farage I would draw stumps, collect may ball and piss off back home. If we are that determined to just give our country away then let them get on with it. It must be so tedious for him to have to listen to the prodding drivial from so-called politicos.

It's oK, I've found the Off Switch!

Farage is talking about it now On BBC2.

He's backtracking a bit!

Wet I don't think his comments were "trivial" and nor do many others.

Apparently it's actually Italian criminal gangs who cause the most crime in Europe, not Romanians.

I think some people might be concerned because idiots like Farage tell them that they should be. I think this whole "blunder" was probably a calculated attempt to make people think that there might actually be something to worry about.

I would be very concerned if a group of UKIP voters moved in next door to me.

Apparently it's actually Italian criminal gangs who cause the most crime in Europe, not Romanians.

Does that mean that my lovely Italian neighbours are actually part of the mafia?!

Probably Jinsei- and they'd better stop all that Pizza and pasta eating in this country- it can only encourage the criminality!

"Now Newnight is banging on about it too. I am especially disappointed in Jeremy Paxman as I thought he was too intelligent to focus on something as trivial as Farage's remarks about Romanians"

Wet, they all have to. There is no way out for them. They all work for The Man.Channel 4 was an absolute joke with Jon Doh! and co spending about 15 minutes trying to do Farage down. The Man runs them all. But Paxman is a great guy, you can tell his heart is not with The Man, you can tell that he would enjoy a pint with Nigel and the people.

"If we are that determined to just give our country away then let them get on with it. It must be so tedious for him to have to listen to the prodding drivial from so-called politicos."

We aren't, but The Man is. Farage puts up with it because he meets the real people and they are with him.

But he wasn't talking about a Romanian family. He said a group of Romanian men. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want a group of men of any nationality living next door. We have a group of men living opposite and they are PITA enough. No idea what nationality they are (and don't care) but they make a lot of noise.

"but they make a lot of noise"

I hope they're not the Bullingdon Club. No one I know has a good word to say about them.

They have got a "radical leftist" on now. The Man always invites "radical leftists" and as always the "radical leftist" hasn't got a clue. He thinks it is only about economics and capitalism.

He doesn't understand the people. Like all"radical leftists" he can't see the elephant in the room and that is culture not capitalism and economics. The Man understands it, which is why The Man always makes sure to invite "radical leftists" on because they don't understand it.

I'm pretty depressed about the Paxo interview because he just adopted an air of highbrow superiority but was unable to produce some good hard stats to challenge Farages claims. There must be some.

I don't know why Romanians have become such bogeymen. Is it because of racist views of Roma? Why haven't UKIP got a downer on Bulgarians - maybe because there are less of them.

I am not convinced by Met Police stats - they are just about numbers of arrests - not convictions. How does anyone know what the persons arrested were actually arrested for - esp if classified as "other"

Has anyone got the actual source of the 7% of all crimes in EU are committed by Romanians.

'Has anyone got the actual source of the 7% of all crimes in EU are committed by Romanians.'

That stat turned out to be wrong

Yes, the Newnight lefty got on my nerves! WTFs all this about cultural richness? Sorry, your average worker couldn'T give a monkey!s about cultural enrichment. That's for ponce-tastic lefties that live in London. I,m listening to all this thinking okay, so he works for Reuters, the organisation ghost gathers news, but what qualifies him yo tell me that beg in the EU is the tight thing for the uk.
But, Newsnight actually said the EU Parliament cannot initiate legislation,and costs us billions.
Didn't Paxo look bored when the bearded chap with the dodgy mike gave us a soliloquy ?

Watched C4 news this evening and listened to the Romanian woman saying that she would not like to live next door to Romanians. ROFLMAO at that!

I went back and looked up C4news on playback and yep, it was a Romanian asylum seeker who'd been in the UK 35 years saying she'd not want to live next to Romanians.

She kept characterising them as 'unruly'. She was countered by another Romanian woman pointing out that people aren't criminal scum just because they are Romanian.

Farage was also tackled in the interview about his latest advert on Romanian crime where it was pointed out that both the Met Police and Europol had totally denied the statements and crime figures he attributed to them. He huffed and puffed.

I am genuinely puzzled by Romanians suddenly becoming the new bogeymen. What on earth supposedly makes them more dodgy than Poles, Lithuanians, the Scottish?

I'm fucking sick of hearing of Farage and his pint of beer. I wouldn't have a pint with Farage. Perhaps he should cut down too and stop being a racist prick.

'Didn't Paxo look bored when the bearded chap with the dodgy mike gave us a soliloquy ?'

Yes, Paxo has to play the game and listen to the "radical leftists" and nod at appropriate intervals. They have Siszek on a lot. He is supposed to be a "philosopher". The Man likes leftists and "thinkers" like that because they confuse the public and bore them and that is how The Man likes the piublic so that the people are unable to see what The Man is actually doing to them.

Farage has got The Man rattled because the people are backing Farage and The Man is losing control. That is why The Man ended up by inviting "the radical leftist" on at the end in order to confuse the people and stop them waking up.

Blimey. Someone's had a pint too many.