Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

I'm not sure why Brexit is being blamed for an immigration crisis.

Sunak spending £400 billion during COVID has pushed the national debt to dangerous levels. The Conservatives have attempted to use immigration to increase GDP and prevent the GDP to debt ratio spiralling out of control.

GDP has barely moved, so it's been a total failure and has impacted GDP per capita.

We need skills and labour shortages to drive up wages in those sectors. That will result in people upskilling / changing sectors. The jobs market is flexible and wages will naturally resolve these problems.

Before Tony Blair opened the food gates there were stories in the press of people with PhDs retaining as plumbers because they were earning £80k+ (which was a lot of money in 2002). Then the Polish plumbers arrived and wages collapsed, so British people didn't bother entering the profession.

Mass immigration may have been good for those people building property empires, such as Tony Blair and his wife, but they've not been good for whole sections of British workers.

For you it was project fear. To others it was hope.
And there you go calling people stupid. There is just no need.

Sneering much? and for all I have never voted Tory and don't approve of Rishi's policies, I don't think he's got his fingers in the till like the other Tories.

You seem to think everything would be rosy if we had mass immigration and massive investment in public services, but no-one is offering that, not even at this election.

We're terribly overpopulated.

But I've been, inevitably, proved correct.

So, yes, it was stupid. I'm fed up of trying to pander to stupid people's feelz, in order to help them help themselves...

I'm not sure why Brexit is being blamed for an immigration crisis.

Maybe read up on the Dublin Protocol?

Maybe since you are so superior in every way, you'd be able to tell us how many people we returned to the EU under the Dublin agreement prior to Brexit?

Feelz? And calling people stupid again. It is nothing to do with feelings. I’m sorry you can’t understand other people’s views. They don’t align with yours but to start name calling says more about you than it does the ‘stupid’ ones

I'll ignore the straw man argument as it doesn't deserve comment.

However, Rishi's wife's wealth, has increased by over £120 million in the last year, mainly due to his government giving umpteen contracts to her company, Infosys. (Which, by the way, is still trading in Russia.)

I'm pretty sure that there's a word that describes this...

I'm pretty sure you could look up the immigration figures for yourself. There's this thing called "google"...

Vote Reform
Get back control of our borders
Become 'Great' Britain again

That was exactly what they said about Brexit!

Remind me how that's worked out for immigration?

Hello Donald, is that you?

Wow. To have such self belief and faith in my own superiority, that'd be something.

Maybe as you know we are all stupid you could enlighten us?
Many might not be able to navigate or understand the graphs

I could but actually I already know - it was a tiny number.

Let me know how calling people stupid works out for you - great job Re:Brexit for a start.

A uk citizens coming back to live in this country after years abroad has to wait 3 months before being allowed to claim benefits.

How is this right when illegals get benefits immediately????

Stop the boats.

Enter the country legally with a job waiting for you.

I voted to leave because I thought there was too much risk attached to staying in the EU.

The stated goal of the EU is the abolition of the nation states of Europe via 'Ever Closer Union'. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic and shows no signs of ever becoming democratic. I can't see how it could even function if it were democratic because all the poorer countries would vote en mass for the richer countries to bankroll them.

Abolishing the UK and being absorbed into an unaccountable supranational organisation seems pretty fucking reckless to me, but I must be thick for actually bothering to think about such things.

Whenever I've tried to discuss things with remain voters, they've been completely ignorant of how the EU is governed (e.g. they think the EU parliament is the equivalent of the House of Commons making laws, rather than the House of Lords rubber stamping laws). The average Remain voter seemed to think that supporting the EU is just what nice people do. The economics of the single market escape them - e.g. they're ignorant of the fact it's only a single market in goods and not services, which the other nations had no intention of ever changing because Britain is so good at services and would have put their domestic companies out of business (in a similar fashion to how their manufacturers put ours out of business).

Vote reform

Unless you are a far right racist. Yes it would be a very bad idea.
Apart from anything else Reform isn't a democratic political Party it is a limited company Farage owns 53%. He can make himself leader and do whatever he wants. He supports Trump and previously said he wasn't going to stand as an MP because he wanted to help Trump become president again. He has changed his mind now because it suits him.

The habitual residency test was introduced to assure people were actually coming over to work and not to just claim benefits.
As the uk was still part of the eu, uk residents were included too.
Illegal immigration is different, the get NASS support until their asylum application is decided

Who gives a shit if Reform are a ltd company. People keep going on about it as if it matters.

Sunak was made leader of the Conservatives without a vote by the membership.

The only vote that matters is the General Election.

My principles are my bond, unlike any political party in the world.

I don't want my Mum cared for by poorly paid and unskilled foreign or British care workers.

Care work needs to become a profession which is funded and valued.

Mass immigration isn't working - we're just stuffing health and care work with people who don't care. It is a short term stupid policy and I was pleased to hear the LibDems with a minor attempt at a solution. The other parties appear to be ignoring it.

Stopping immigration isn't the solution, but encouraging it isn't the solution either.

Farage is a prick.