Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

I have very high principles!!

I am a pro imigration (a bit) Liberal and I have never lived in a White Middle Class enclave.

This pretty much sums them up.

Zero net immigration still equates to 600,000 immigrants per year.

I'm not sure why allowing 600k people into the country is considered to be 'hating foreigners'.

We have a housing crisis. Rents are becoming unaffordable. GDP pet capita is stagnant. Public services are overwhelmed and failing.

Limiting immigration to those with the skills that we need seems entirely sensible to me.

I'm not sure why allowing 600k people into the country is considered to be 'hating foreigners'.

Because you're automatically blaming "foreigners" when the problems are actually caused by the Tory government not giving a shit about the people.

It shows up your inherent bias...

Reform UK wants far less immigration but I believe they make an exception for care workers because they recognise we can't do without care worker immigrants. That's the whole point of managed immigration we let in those we need but not those we don't need.

I think many ex-Labour voters (red wall) will vote Reform. There are some surprises coming.

How does 'caring' increase GDP per capita?

When did seeing a doctor become such a) concern, I don't remember growing up (70s baby), hearing my parents talking about housing problems or doctor issues.

When did these things become such a big issue? I remember voting for Blair as well my first proper really thought about it vote and again it wasn't on the agenda?

Aa

This is so true and has a lot to do with why Vote Leave won.

Ah, I see the level of thinking we're dealing with now.

Because if you care about the people, you would spend taxpayer billions on making things better for them, investing in infrastructure to make everybody's lives better etc..

Rather than giving out massive contracts to your donors, and in Rishi's case your family, say...

Oh yes, that's been such a success...

Sorry I didn’t explain that well at all. I meant the winning Brexit vote rather than it being a success overall. Serves me right for rushing!

I will be voting Labour, but if I was a conservative I would definitely vote for Reform ahead of the Tories.

If you want lower taxes, smaller government, reduced government spending, a crackdown on ‘wokery’ and real action on uncontrolled mass immigration rather than empty words, then why not vote for a real conservative agenda? That’s what Reform are offering.

There’s miles less risk of a hung parliament if Reform get a lot of votes. In fact it makes it almost impossible.

Yes, but that very amply demonstrates the stupidity of voting based purely on soundbites and ignorance...

Really? Reform know they're not getting into government, so they're not "offering" anything except shit-stirring...

Net migration was over 700,000 people last year, the figures you have given are less than 10% of the the total influx!

If you want to vote for the people who sold you the disaster of Brexit then go for it.

It's not just about immigration it's hard right economically which means more Truss-enomics. Like it or not reducing immigration to net zero would cripple whatever is left of the economy and then the kamikaze budgets on top.

But Reform aren't going to win the election, so as a protest vote it has some merit.

I'm getting major flashbacks to brexit since he announced he was running.

I've got a feeling it's going to end the same way.

Howls of indignation from a side that has spent the campaign spitting venom on the other and calling it moral superiority.

An increasingly worrying resentment building on the other side, promoting more extreme views and increasing votes for something that probably isn't going to be great for any of us.

I despair. No lessons were learnt at all. We are heading straight for another shock, I can feel it.

Please include Labour for allowing free movement. Not everybody has been better off for it. Not everybody wanted it and felt it was essentially forced upon the UK by Brown.

Free movement was a massive net benefit for our economy, not to mention the NHS and care homes. This type of nonsense is what we expect from liars like Boris and Farage...

I think that sadly this is the case for many, but certainly not all…

Didn't the House of Lords calculate the economic benefit as 20p per week, per household?

Hardly what anybody would describe as 'massive'.

The problem with reducing the legal immigration numbers is how do you do it? We need the skilled workers, we need the health workers, we need the care workers. We need the manual workers. So if you take any of the worker visas away it causes a productivity/economic problem.

A lot of the visas are student visas, take them away and the universities go bankrupt which has a huge impact on the towns and cities. Also, if they stay after their degree then it's a positive to the economy.

The problem is we can't sustain the net migration numbers, but beyond easy soundbites what is the answer?