Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

What? Actually having nurses, porters, and care staff is only worth considering in financial terms?

I think it would be a bad thing. Even though they are nearer to Conservatism than the Conservative Party.

We have an aging population and we need workers.
If you're hard up it's not the fault of immigrants. It's this bloody government.
Reform are racist.
I would find anyone voting for them unreasonable.
Vote Labour op.
You did ask.

The problem also being that the reason for the massively increased immigration is Brexit. And now you're going to vote for the people that brought you that in order to undo what they caused in the first place!

It's a whole new level of stupidity...

This is where you will struggle to get people to believe this.

Anyone who has interacted with care homes or the NHS has watched it getting worse and worse. The economy is also worse.

Not everyone is sold that importing more and more people to cope with the increased demand of more and more people, which then causes more demand, so you import more and more people is a viable long term solution to the economy.

This is how we ended up with the austerity we got - everything is measured in terms of economic terms. Shut the libraries they don't make money. Get rid of thousands of police officers, cut mental health services etc to save money. Then the consequences are starker than the money saved.

Nonsense? No, it really did have a detrimental impact to some people’s lives. It isn’t nonsense. Just because you benefit from something, doesn’t mean everyone else did to.

Farage became leader of Reform without a democratic vote. Does that not tell you quite a lot about them?

but yet any discussion on the problems with brexit was dismissed as project fear and I see leftie insults turfed out frequently.

No point saying don’t insult us we want to listen when there isn’t much attempt to actively listen and engage in discussion.

Personally, I can't vote libdems after the coalition fiasco and student loans/fees where they sold their soul. Nor can I vote Greens as we have Green councillors running our local council and they're complete lunatics wanting to pedestrianise the entire town centre which will kill off the few remaining shops there.

Hoping for a decent independent but otherwise it will be Reform. No way will I vote either for Sunak nor Starmer.

Like with any political party what tells you most about them is how they're funded.

I agree. It's like Brexit with all the insults traded on those threads, inevitably.
It's just ridiculous to put down someone's concerns rather than address them in an adult way.

Same as Gordon Brown and Rishi Sunak then!

No, because Rishi and Gordon Brown became PM after a leadership contest. They were elected as party leaders by the members of their party. Unlike Farage.

What we actually need before any discussion about immigration can be sensibly had is an industrial strategy that identifies where economic growth is most likely. You can then develop an immigration strategy to support that. A well thought through industrial strategy would hopefully lead to more British homegrown industry and the apprenticeships we keep going on about.

The university situation needs dealing with holistically rather than propping up universities which now see themselves as businesses with thousands of foreign students and their dependents.

I’m genuinely interested - what has been the impact?

I live in middle class leafy area, we can’t get a GP appointment, we still have anti social behaviour from local youths (who are white & intimidating ) there no police, local fb page reports thefts every day, council tax is ridiculous & most goes to pay for social care, roads are more potholes than actual road. Town has more charity & coffee shops than actual shops. Houses are unaffordable, huge building projects with lots of social part ownership building on green field sites.

If you want to vote for Reform, spend five minutes scrolling FB groups such as “the People’s Britain” or tbh, any fb group that has Britain in the title.

it will show you the motive for the majority of Reform voters.

The figures quoted were for q1 2023.

The Home Office granted 350,000 'Health and Care' visas in 2023 in total, including dependants, compared to 118,000 skilled visas in other sectors. This means the share of Skilled Worker visas going to health and care roles jumped from 58% in 2022 to 75% in 2023.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/social-care-sector-continues-to-drive-demand-for-overseas-workers-as-new-data-shows-public-sector-roles-dominate-work-visas/

I will be voting Reform as a protest against mass immigration. In 2022, net immigration was 700,000 (not counting illegal immigrants). It’s insane. To house that many people we’ll need to build three new Manchesters. Where?? You can hardly move as it is. The traffic in my home town is beyond endurance. In fact, I hardly go out anymore. I wouldn’t bother travelling to a local beauty spot on a sunny weekend, for example, as I couldn’t face the crowds and queues. My local woods have been hacked into to build a massive new estate, and a second massive estate is being built at the other end of the village. There is a road near me known locally as ‘the long road’ because it’s pretty much dead straight. The traffic on that road is dreadful. One evening last summer it was bumper to bumper for three miles. No road works, no accidents, just sheer volume. We’ve just heard that developers are going to build 800 new homes on that road. So that will be a thousand or more extra cars on top of the ones already choking it up. It’s unbearable NOW. And no matter how many of these ghastly rabbit hutches they jam on top of one another, it’s never enough. We always need more, more, more.

I feel like I’m being suffocated. There are too many people squeezed onto this little island, it’s as simple as that. And it’s massively impacting our quality of life. However useless the Tories have been at controlling immigration, Labour will be worse. If Labour win, you can kiss goodbye to the green belt, that’s for sure. This problem isn’t going away. The world’s population has exploded over the last century. In 1900 there were a billion humans. By 1960 that had trebled to three billion. It’s now eight and is set to peak at ten billion by mid-century, right in the middle of a climate crisis.

That's a risky strategy. A lot of people voted brexit as a protest vote... look how that turned out

Reform will get my vote.

So you're going to vote for the people who caused the immigration crisis, in order to deal with the immigration crisis.

Seems sensible...

Vote reform if you want to get your country back. It should be UK citizens first - Starmer allowed illegal migrants to claim benefits. These are young men mostly getting cash, housing, phones. Above our own people. So definitely don't vote labour.

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