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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:32

Hmmmm

MockersthefeMANist · 07/11/2019 19:32

Momentum Person on BBC2 at lunchtime said the new Deputy will be a woman. The candidates are Pidcock, Long-Bailey and Rayner.

Can't say I'm whelmed.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:34

Oh ffs

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 19:35

Pidcock, Long-Bailey and Rayner.

I suppose that saves me caring about it, since they are all completely under-qualified and unsuited to the position. I have Wrong-Daily muted on twitter because she is so annoying. I don't mute lightly but fuck me she's not very bright.

Of the three I don't mind Rayner but she is a car crash TV interview waiting to happen.

MockersthefeMANist · 07/11/2019 19:39

Sounds a lot like a case of "Who's going to shoot me with Spiro T Agnew as Vice-President?"

Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:40

@prettybird Grin

SwedishEdith · 07/11/2019 19:41

But Labour changed the rules so the Deputy Leader wouldn't be the automatic leader if Corbyn stepped down. To stop Watson. So, they'll probably change them again.

Alsohuman · 07/11/2019 19:42

, Long-Bailey and Rayner.

Oh dear God. Seriously?

Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:43

Dearie me, no-one can score in front of an open goal just now.

Grinchly · 07/11/2019 19:48

@mship I too have a very dear trans woman friend too. I agree with everything you and @mistigri said.
Transitioning over 20 years ago saved her life.

Self ID is a nonsense though, having said that, and needs to be tackled. It is an insult to those who have gone through reassignment surgery.

I agree with what others have said though Brexit is and has to be the priority.

ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 19:55

Self ID is a nonsense though, having said that, and needs to be tackled. It is an insult to those who have gone through reassignment surgery.
This.
A friend who had their surgery straight after leaving school describes the self ID brigade as "chaps in frocks"
She is proud of who she was and proud of who she is.

BUT
BREXIT IS THE BIGGER ISSUE
according to her anyway!!

derxa · 07/11/2019 19:57

Pidcock, Long-Bailey and Rayner. I saw Laura Pidcock being interviewed the other day. Incredibly rude and charmless.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:57

Its the rabid TRAs that are the problem.

And the fact that SO many politicians do not call out their fuckwittery.

bellabelly · 07/11/2019 20:00

This rag from the Brexit Party plopped through our letterbox today. Anyone else received one? I'd be interested to know if they are targeting particular areas or delivering to everyone.

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Grinchly · 07/11/2019 20:01

Yes listening my friend feels exactly the same. She'll be out canvassing.

TheMShip · 07/11/2019 20:02

@Grinchly I've read perspectives from older trans people who are uncomfortable with self id. It seems there's yet another generational divide.

My mind's wandering off to tactical voting this evening. I liked that aggregate site someone posted earlier, and I'm thinking about how the data that's in there could be mined. Another big MRP after candidate nominations close would be helpful - I read that Best for Britain were planning one.

Does anyone know of a sort of armchair activists guide? I rarely have time to spend online like this (happy coincidence tonight), but I'd like to do my bit, even if it's just bite size and piecemeal.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 20:06

IMO this is the sort of women's issue that should be our priority:

Women in need of maternity allowance from the DWP are enduring 14 week delays, leaving them without income after their baby has been born.

inews.co.uk/opinion/maternity-allowance-dwp-backlog-benefit-new-mothers-income-878305

(Actually it appears to be worse than the quote above suggests, because this leaves self-employed women potentially without any income in the later stages of pregnancy, unless they work right up to their due date).

Let's have no more of this "they're all as bad as each other" nonsense.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 20:09

Butler has also put herself forward for the deputy post

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 20:11

The trans people I knew would were both ftm and would be fucking horrified at whats being done to womens rights.

I worked with one of them. He was so very kind. He had been through so much to get to where he felt he belonged.

prettybird · 07/11/2019 20:18

bellabelly - I have never received any Brexit Party - or UKIP for that matter - communication.

Shame, it would have added to my bog roll stash Wink

derxa · 07/11/2019 20:26

Butler has also put herself forward for the deputy post
The woman who thinks giraffes are gay.
What must the likes of Yvette Cooper be thinking at the moment.

QueenOfThorns · 07/11/2019 20:28

I am going to vote for the local emissary of the jam-stealing, Commie hat-wearing, fence-sitting courgette that is Magic Grandpa. So there!

If the current (alleged) Tories get another 5 years, it’ll be too late to go back. Once the NHS is gone, we won’t be getting it back. A couple of people have said to me that they just don’t have anyone to vote for. My response has been to suggest that they should maybe think about what they want to vote against instead.

tobee · 07/11/2019 20:31

Great Dawn Butler- one of my absolute faves Hmm

What worries me about Jo Swinson's democrats is her positioning of the party at this current time.

Nobody seems to be interested in pragmatism.

tobee · 07/11/2019 20:34

Talking of Spiro T Agnew, I highly recommend to you Bag Man the podcast about him hosted by Rachel Maddow

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 20:40

Sayeeda Warsi
@SayeedaWarsi
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8h
Really Julia
I’m astonished at the number of
@Conservatives
colleagues who have seen clear evidence of racism within our Party & have failed to speak out.
Why is that?
Either we care about racism or we don’t
We can’t care about fighting it in other party’s but not our own 🤷🏽‍♀️
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Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
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This is just abject nonsense. twitter.com/sayeedawarsi/s…

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