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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/11/2019 19:59

Thanks red

BercowsPoliticalPumpkin · 06/11/2019 20:01

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Thanks

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 20:03

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
BREAKING

Tom Watson announces he is stepping down as an MP and the party's deputy leader

This could have an influence on Labour / LD waiverers

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DryIce · 06/11/2019 20:04

I have read the majority of these threads, but spend most of them on catch up. And I'm on mat leave! How do you all manage?!

Thanks for the threads, they are the most informative analysis of current politics I have found. Although the current chaos means I still have zero idea who to vote for.

I've never been a true Tory, but there have been individual MPs I would have considered voting for. I'm most afraid of the conservative party we will have left after this election, through the combination of moderates stepping down and the electorate voting tribally

tobee · 06/11/2019 20:07

Tom Watson going! Shock

tobee · 06/11/2019 20:08

Whoops didn't check end of old thread!

And thanks Red place marking

ClashCityRocker · 06/11/2019 20:09

Pmk!

These threads do move quickly. I wonder which one went the quickest?

derxa · 06/11/2019 20:12

Wasn't Harvey Proctor standing in Tom Watson's constituency?

tobee · 06/11/2019 20:13

DryIce well I used to be addicted to watching the tv news, I'm addicted to this thread instead Grin

prettybird · 06/11/2019 20:14

Regal place mark.

Not sure what I feel about Watson stepping down.

Drylce - dh says I'm obsessed and really should be working on other things Blush

Will probably be on here less once I go and volunteer to do some canvassing Grin - the regulars on here may or may not be pleased about that Wink

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OublietteBravo · 06/11/2019 20:15

PMK. I lost track of the last thread - I’ll try and do a better job of keeping up with this one.

BoreOfWhabylon · 06/11/2019 20:15

PMK

Watson has looked very unhappy for a long time.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 20:15

Re Tom Watson going

Hannah Al-Othman @hannahalothman
Should have gone with my single source

Source says that more departures from the moderate wing of the Labour Party are coming...

Sounds ominous...

What do you think?

Yvette?

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dreichwinter · 06/11/2019 20:19

Moderates stepping down from any party isn't a good thing.
PMK

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 20:20

Gavin Shuker @gavinshuker
Nice of Tom to go to all that special effort to persuade Labour MPs who couldn’t bring themselves to put Corbyn into Number 10, to stay.

Personal highlight of the year for me.

Up there with the guy that designed us the bus.

Ouch.

Shuker was one of the Lab MPs who left. There was going to be more but Watson persuaded them not to and would fight for the centre ground of the party.

But he's now decided to quit...

... Which would suggest that MP who nearly left at protest earlier in the year will now just step down. Effectively leaving the party to the left and giving up the fight for the heart and soul of the party...

... This would be significant move.

Lib Dems will be delighted. As will the the Conservatives.

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mathanxiety · 06/11/2019 20:21

First page placemark for once.

Northern Ireland alliances so far:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/northern-irelands-remain-alliance-takes-shape
Northern Ireland political parties are able to do maths. But we won't know the result of all the manouvering until 13 December.
There is a worst case scenario:
Though the odds appear to have swung decisively in the favour of Remainers of all hues, there is a slim but existent chance that this attempt to right the strategic wrongs of the Remain approach in 2017 might yet produce a similar result.

Best case (or even moderately good case) is that voters keep their focus.

The dog whistling from the Orange Order helps here, in a strange way.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 20:22

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall
Same source who told me about Watson’s resignation says they’ve also heard other ‘moderate’ MPs are due to announce walk outs. We’ll see.

Looks like the Labour Party is now splitting too then...

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ClashCityRocker · 06/11/2019 20:26

Ffs. Why do it bloody now?!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 06/11/2019 20:26

pmk. Thanks Red.

tobee · 06/11/2019 20:26

Will Jo Swinson be up to catching them in her safety net?

tobee · 06/11/2019 20:28

I agree Clash except when would be a good time? Given that standing is committing yourself to another (don't laugh) 5 years? 🤷🏻‍♀️

ClashCityRocker · 06/11/2019 20:34

Ugh you're probably right tobee.

But still...it will be interesting to see who else goes.

RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 20:34

Sebastian Payne@SebastianePayne
Several Labour MPs and officials are suggesting more figures might follow Tom Watson.

One figure close to the shadow cabinet says: "Have been told there expecting more to followed in staged departures from the “moderate” wing of the party to try and stop us winning."

Mark Wallace @ wallaceme
Interesting that Momentum is actively publicising the link to the Facebook Live broadcast of the Tory campaign launch to its members, urging them to flood the comments.

Got to wonder if Momentum flashmobbing the comments on Boris's Facebook broadcasts might have the opposite effect to that desired. He's warning Labour are aggressive hardliners, and here they are flooding the comments with just that...

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TiddleTaddleTat · 06/11/2019 20:36

Watson going is hardly surprising given how vocal he's been in disagreeing with corbyn on a number of issues. It wasn't just about being more centre-inclined than corbyn , he was also unpopular with the grassroots of the party and a whole history there.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/11/2019 20:39

Enjoying this tweet.
@elashton
Parts of Jeremy Corbyn's reply to Tom Watson's resignation letter are ... interesting
Many green-fingered tweeters pointing out that horseradish is an invasive plant that takes over your garden. Puts a whole new spin on things..

Really hoping this isn't a hold my beer moment from Labour

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