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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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borntobequiet · 07/11/2019 19:15

I said the damage from Brexit was real, not that trans damage wasn’t.

prettybird · 07/11/2019 19:16

Volvemos - difference is that in Spain, even holding an unofficial referendum is illegal as their constitution explicitly forbids secession. The UK is in theory at least a Union of equals (HmmConfused) and promoting secession is not illegal so the Scottish Government could hold an unofficial referendum with impunity (spoiler alert: it won't Wink).

Eventually, WM will need to allow a Section 30 notice to allow Indyref2 to take place. If they don't, then if significant numbers of SNP MPs are returned, then they could make normal operations at WM very difficult, with legal procedural obstructions galore (in the way that the Irish MPs did in the run up to Home Rule/Irish Independence) unless and until the Section 30 notice is agreed.

Another spoiler alert: the SNP will never support a Conservative Government.

Random18 · 07/11/2019 19:17

So lots more families will struggle to afford to by sanitary products for their daughters because of Brexit......but that's ok?

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:18

Ds and I have just been discussing Tom Watson..

Neither of us can figure out what his game is...

"I'd vote for satan to keep the tories out"

Tbh, a lot of people think that corbyn IS satan so....😂😂

Motheroffourdragons · 07/11/2019 19:18

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SwedishEdith · 07/11/2019 19:19

Yes, where I live, my vote will be to try to stop the Tories - and it's possible here.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 07/11/2019 19:19

I woke up thinking JRM had resigned.
Sadly, it was all a dream (literally!)

mrslaughan · 07/11/2019 19:19

"My priority is women and girls and I make no apologies for it. The trans issue is affecting a lot of women and girls and that males it my issue too, whether or not I am personally touched by it."
Completely agree - I am worried that we are so busy looking one way, that in the other direction my daughters rights are subjugated. It's a trend and people are shrugging there shoulders - thinking it doesn't really effect them, until it does.

I don't believe anyone is saying trans are less than women just that They are different. I have thought long and hard about trans women in women's sport...... biological women for the most part can't compete...... for the simple reason of testosterone. Will that discourage women from competing? It certainly would me.....

ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 19:20

If Brexit goes badly
the country will have MUCH BIGGER issues to deal with than Trans rights and its contra side.

Lets deal with access to housing, food, money
and then worry about Woke / Terf / identity politics

STOP BREXIT comes first

Random18 · 07/11/2019 19:20

Hoooo I think he realised he wouldn't win the seat.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:21

It'll be far harder for folk to ignore this trans self id madness after brexit is sorted one way or the other.

Problem is, that could take so long that self id becomes the norm.

Under his eye.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:23

Hmmm. That's what I said random

Ds thinks he's worried labour will win "and he would have to do some work"

Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:24

Sorry I wasn’t clear- I didn’t mean that the SNP would go the UN sanctioned referendum route.

I meant that facing a number of internal and external pressures, the UK would go through a series of annual-ish and rather inconclusive general elections in which the long-standing parties haemorrhage votes/seats, scandals and resignations are common, new parties emerge on both the wings and in the centre, but don’t quite get the traction they hoped for, so end up competing in an increasingly desperate fashion to capture ground from the established parties.

So Podemos= Momentum, Labour= PSOE, Lib Dems/Tiggers= Ciudanos, Conservatives=PP, Brexit Party= Vox. With Scotland being Catalonia.

Motheroffourdragons · 07/11/2019 19:24

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Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:25

And I agree that the current SNP would never support a Tory government (30 years ago might have been different). I meant it more as an aspiration on the validity of any “cast iron” guarantee given by Boris.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 19:26

It IS weird!

thecatfromjapan · 07/11/2019 19:26

I agree, Mother. I think it's weird, too.

Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:27

Sorry, auto-corrected fail, unsanctioned referendum not UN sanctioned referendum.

MockersthefeMANist · 07/11/2019 19:27

So Podemos= Momentum, Labour= PSOE, Lib Dems/Tiggers= Ciudanos, Conservatives=PP, Brexit Party= Vox. With Scotland being Catalonia.

And the Irish are the Basques.

Random18 · 07/11/2019 19:27

Mother I actually think hes a bit self obsessed.

I agree with him on most things but I have felt at times his comments have been unnecessary.

You may be right that he wasn't worried about losing his seat but I do think he would lose it. Perhaps he decided this would be the best way to have the most detrimental effect on Corbyn?

prettybird · 07/11/2019 19:28

On second reading, I'd got what you meant volvemos Grin

thecatfromjapan · 07/11/2019 19:30

If Labour won, he'd be facing a PLP with a lot of MPs loyal to Corbyn, over and above everything else.

And the prospect of a 'special Brexit Conference' where the elected delegates voted for Labour to campaign for Labour's Brexit.

If Labour lose, there's a leadership contest, where The Deputy Leader holds a lot of power over the succession (which is why there was an attempt to oust him before Conference).

It actually does make more sense for him to resign if he thinks Labour are going to win.

It's very weird.

Volvemos · 07/11/2019 19:31

That’s a good point Mockers.

SwedishEdith · 07/11/2019 19:31

Isn't Harvey Proctor standing against Tom Watson? It might be because he's fed up/anti-Corbyn but I think it's plausible there's more to it.

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