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Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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tobee · 13/06/2019 15:50

Thanks BigChoc and pretty as I thought but just thinking about the next months and how Boris can present it.

tobee · 13/06/2019 15:57

Oh my god! Just seeing Trump tweet that he recently met the Prince of Whales! I know it's likely a typo but....! Shock

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 16:00

"how Boris can present it"

He's experienced at turd-polishing

Ellie56 · 13/06/2019 16:09

Trump is a complete tit.

tobee · 13/06/2019 16:23

@Ellie56 GrinGrinGrin🐳

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2019 16:24

www.itv.com/news/2019-06-13/can-any-tory-candidate-really-challenge-boris-johnson-asks-robert-peston/
Can any Tory candidate really challenge Boris Johnson? asks Robert Peston

His campaign has been wholly based on Boris Johnson as an idea, a concept - the idea being that only he through his force of personality and penchant for the arresting bon mot can sequentially deliver Brexit, boost the popularity of his party and then win a general election.

His fans care not the most withered of figs for his chequered record at the Foreign Office, his joke that many found offensive about Muslim women wearing the veil, the notorious mismatch between his confidence and his grasp of detail.

He is the Tories' Trump - which his supporters gleefully swagger about in private, and puritanically deny in public.

As one of his cheerleaders said to me: "The whole point about Boris is that no one quite knows what he'll do next, and that is precisely what we need in this our lowest point in history - because it is only through nonplussing, confusing and scaring our opponents, especially those in Brussels, do we have any chance of leaving the EU in the autumn."

Well maybe.

But as Amber Rudd, from the Hunt campaign, said to me just now, Boris cannot get to the finishing post purely as a political hologram: at some point the real Boris Johnson will - surely - face forensic questioning, in broadcast hustings and longer TV interviews.

And that is where she - and Gove supporter Anne Milton - think it is just possible that Johnson will come unstuck.

Which is why he is refusing to do the TV debate... and Stewart is goading him over it.

Indeed Peston continues

It is not an easy decision for them: Hunt may well be the best negotiator, which is relevant to those all-important Brexit talks, Gove knows Johnson's frailties and vulnerabilities better than anyone, Javid has the best story to tell about why he understands modern Britain, Hancock is the clever technocrat and then there is the Rory Stewart paradox.

He came in last place of the survivors with just 19 votes. He was barely known till he joined the cabinet as international development secretary a few weeks ago.

And, like Johnson, he is a white male posh public schoolboy, so not exactly redolent of modern Britain in all its sparkling diversity.

But Stewart has shown a magnificently intuitive grasp of how to use social media and the old-fashioned stump - and makes all his rivals, including Johnson, look painfully constipated.

He sees himself unashamedly as a stylistically Trumpish grandstander for the centre-ground of politics.

It is no stroke of luck that from nowhere he now has significant public recognition and may already be the second choice of Tory members, albeit trailing Johnson by a big margin.

So the safe choice for Tory MPs who want to give Johnson a bit of a test is Hunt or Gove. The high risk and potentially high rewards bet would be Stewart.

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RedToothBrush · 13/06/2019 16:25

Personally, I DON'T think it likely that Stewart will get past round 2, but its interesting he is picking up so much attention.

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tobee · 13/06/2019 16:25

Guess what? Twitter is having fun with that tweet!

tobee · 13/06/2019 16:29

Rory is picking up attention because the mejah love the shiny and new!

thethethethethe · 13/06/2019 16:29

Surely, achieving the Tory nutter goal of leaving the EU without a deal isn't that difficult? You just faff about for another couple of months, and you get no deal. Anyone could do it - doesn't need to be Boris Johnson.

Peregrina · 13/06/2019 16:30

I would be surprised if Stewart got beyond the 2nd round.

I do wonder whether Johnson overestimates his own popularity. He is very much a London figure - there are a lot of people in the UK outside London who don't relate to Londoners and their behaviour.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 13/06/2019 16:30

Personally, I DON'T think it likely that Stewart will get past round 2, but its interesting he is picking up so much attention

Sad but you are right. I just want him out in public for as long as possible talking sense for as long as possible.

Could you imaging a Rory vs Boris debate though. That would be fascinating.

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2019 16:32

What I'm half watching for is Tory MPs switching AWAY from Johnson to one of the other candidates.

I certainly do not think it beyond the realms of possibility.

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thethethethethe · 13/06/2019 16:33

I really don't want Hunt either. Anyone who threatens the Chinese with the UK's superior military strength shouldn't have any access to the Red Button (or whatever it is).
Is he really a good negotiator? That really wasn't a great negotiating tactic.

thethethethethe · 13/06/2019 16:34

So I think I will have to choose Gove, among that very nasty top 3.

tobee · 13/06/2019 16:38

Peregrine coming from London, I don't relate to their behaviour that elected Boris either!

CrocodileClips · 13/06/2019 16:39

When is the 2nd round?

tobee · 13/06/2019 16:39

Tuesday (?)

tobee · 13/06/2019 16:41

Here-

Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection
wheresmymojo · 13/06/2019 16:45

How many of us became Tory party members in time to have a vote?

I think I should just about scrape in...

wheresmymojo · 13/06/2019 16:46

I have a purely political crush on Rory the Tory (his face is far too stretchy for it to be an actual crush).

prettybird · 13/06/2019 16:50

I think oubliettebravo and a few of her Remain Wink friends will also just sneak in and be able to to vote.

wheresmymojo · 13/06/2019 16:51

The Liverpool Echo News is reporting that Cruella DeVey Esther McVey got the worst ever results in a leadership election today.

DGRossetti · 13/06/2019 16:53

Who can remember 1990 ? Major was the complete unknown - especially since he couldn't appear on TV at the critical phase because he "had a toothache" ?

Who was the dead cert then ?

howabout · 13/06/2019 16:55

I do wonder whether Johnson overestimates his own popularity. He is very much a London figure - there are a lot of people in the UK outside London who don't relate to Londoners and their behaviour.

And yet many many people credit him with delivering the Leave Vote - that was certainly not London voters.