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Brexit

Westminstenders: Tory Natural Selection

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RedToothBrush · 08/06/2019 13:09

Here we go again...

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 20:31

oh and MrsT tried to stand up to the USA when their interests clashed with ours

Not always successfully, but she didn't just roll over and offer her tummy to be tickled by Reagan and the other POTUS's of her reign

Ellie56 · 13/06/2019 21:13

In spite of all her faults, the Brexit shitstorm would never have happened on MT's watch.

woman19 · 13/06/2019 21:14

In spite of all her faults, the Brexit shitstorm would never have happened on MT's watch

It would, in spades.

She was a pimp just like them.

Hard rain coming.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 21:24

Brexit is a cockup; the whole idea was doomed

MrsT had plans for what she did, but would never have been so stupid as to attempt Brexit - because every plan is a loser

She would also not have taken the risk of offering a referendum on political / economic suicide

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 21:25

She was not a nice human being, but she wasn't a stupid one either

DGRossetti · 13/06/2019 21:31

I think Mrs T genuinely believed what she was doing was for the best for all. She may have been wrong, but not insincere.

Not one of the men now running to PM could give a toss about trying to do good by all. They don't even pretend to.

arguably Mrs T was a greater patriot that this shower of shite.

Icantreachthepretzels · 13/06/2019 21:34

we buy far more goods from them than they sell to us
Read it again, and consider they are supposedly lawyers

I got it the first time leclerc - it's just ... just as you think weeping and banging your head against a wall is still not enough to convey the horror, misery and frustration of the situation - then you read something like that. FFS

woman19 · 13/06/2019 21:41

I think Mrs T genuinely believed what she was doing was for the best for all. She may have been wrong, but not insincere

So funny that some people are surprised by the contemporary english fascism.

I can easily guess what they didn't do, and what they did do to enable that regime.

Those that did fight that pimp, by the way, bought time for John Major.

yolofish · 13/06/2019 21:42

I was no fan of Maggie, but I do believe she thought she was doing the right thing and I dont believe she would have got us into the current shit show - too pragmatic, too hardline, and also able to surround herself with people who were not only capable, but capable of telling her she was wrong.

wheresmymojo · 13/06/2019 21:51

Thanks all....interesting to hear about some of the context to Thatcherism from the other side...

Xenia · 13/06/2019 21:56

Many of know what good Margaret Thatcher did for the UK. Huge numbers of people benefited from her and it is a pity a few people persist in trying to say she was bad for the country.

RedToothBrush · 13/06/2019 21:57

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Jason118 · 13/06/2019 22:00

Thatchers legacy is foisting her ideology on a country where most do not benefit from it

tobee · 13/06/2019 22:03

Yeah right Xenia. Hmm

prettybird · 13/06/2019 22:15

I agree with BigChocFrenzy about Maggie: she then went on to build her "success" on the back of North Sea Oil, used it to find tax cuts, crush the unions while destroying the UK manufacturing industry, building the financial sector in the South East (unbalancing the entire UK economy) and not using any of it to build infrastructure that benefitted the whole of the UK Angry

Contrast that with Norway which went from being a poor Nordic country with just fishing as an industry to having the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world as a result of its (smaller) gas and oil fields Confused - in preparation for when the oil runs out.

I didn't buy into the "It's Scotland's oil" mantra which started in the 70s (had arguments with friends about that very topic when I went to Uni in 78) but having seen how its benefit was squandered, I have reconsidered Sad. Shame most of it has gone now - so not so much left with which to build an Oil Fund (although that was the plan in Scotland's Future - the White Paper written in advance of the Indyref strange concept Wink)

Having said that, Maggie can't be blamed for all the squandering. There have been nearly 30 years since she stood down for other PMs (of both parties) to change their approach. Angry

So it's not surprising that I have no confidence that the WM tiger, in the post Brexit chaos, will change its spots Sad

Look at everything they haven't done to support the "Northern Powerhouse"Hmm Look at how long it will take HS2 to be built, let alone HS3, let alone HS routes into Scotland Hmm. Look at how the Channel Tunnel was built as National Infrastructure on the basis that there would be direct links from Scotland, which were then shelved Hmm Look at the lack of decent transport links between North and South Wales Hmm Look at the lack of decent transport links into Cornwall and the South West Hmm

Iambuffy · 13/06/2019 22:16

I'm guessing you live on London xenia and not an east Midlands ex colliery town?

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Iambuffy · 13/06/2019 22:19

On London?
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woman19 · 13/06/2019 22:42

Thatcher was a racist, homophobic, sexist pimp and her cult was the foetid petri dish of brexit.

I am not surprised that many nationalists and right wingers like her.

She would have loved the 'brexit' and was a complete philistine.

What with the imminent martial law, this would have been her perfect hour.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 22:51

I stongly disagree about MrsT, xenia and think she caused some of the fundamental problems we have in the country today

However, it's good to see an intelligent conservative posting here; we need different viewpoints.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/06/2019 22:54

'It will be like handing every Londoner a cheque for over £200 and taking £700 from every Welsh person'

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/brexit-wales-eu-structural-funds-16405082

A shocking new report has exposed the difference between Westminster spending priorities and the EU's

  • and the impact it would have on Wales when we leave the EU.

Taking away the structural and agricultural funds that Wales gets from the EU and redistributing the cash according to Westminster's spending priorities
would be the equivalent of stripping £743 from every Welsh person and giving £200 to every Londoner.

tobee · 13/06/2019 23:13

I come from the south east (Home Counties), something like the 5th safest Tory seat. But I think Thatcher wrecked havoc on the country and society when she was in power. She underlined a mantra of greed is good and look after number 1 whoever you step on. She was also a total Philistine. .

tobee · 13/06/2019 23:16

I think Thatcher's ideology is still prevalent and excused today.

prettybird · 13/06/2019 23:31

My boyfriend at Uni came from Kirkby in Ashfield. I remember visiting him during the holidays during the Miners' Strike. It was scary stuff. His dad was a GP so relatively well off but there was an awful lot of poverty in the surrounding area SadAnd that was while the pits were technically still open Shock

It shocks me that that area came out strongly for Leave. It just demonstrates how much of this was a protest at being shafted by WM - ironically nothing to do with the EU (which probably put in more structural funds than WM ever wanted to do Confused) - and was essentially a scream for attention. Sad

So therefore the Thatcher legacy continues Angry

woman19 · 13/06/2019 23:44

I've wondered for a while, about this odd english obsession, in the face of a fascist coup, with stockpiles and possessions.

Then I remembered an old joke about the bourgeoisie.

'Most people see their lives flashing in front of them just before they die, but the middle class see their possessions.'

The whole point of the coming regime, includes the fact that one can not control ownership of one's own possessions, including one's own self. Us women know what that means. ( DGR you need to do a little reading on your privilege, poppet)

You can have as many beans as you want temporarily, but you will not have human rights.

Neither of course, will your children have human rights.

Bit of a learning curve, this one.