Westministenders: The Only Election That Matters - The Tory One

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Fallout from the Euro Elections makes for interesting reading for the leadership hopefuls.

Its not a clear cut as some make out. There is still a case for a deal. The trouble is passing it through parliament. And there is no time to do that. Nor no will.

Any new leader's priority isn't going to be a deal. Its going to be avoiding a General Election. And thats going to be hard.

We are also realistically facing the prospect of another extension which France is likely to block leading to no deal or no deal.

Or a 2nd Referendum.

A 2nd Referendum might be the only way to avoid a General Election. And that will still have no deal on the ballot. Of that you can be sure.

Peter Foster of the Telegraph remarked this morning that in fact the only way to a deal now, might well be via no deal, because of all the routes we have exhausted through incompetence. And that will come at a very high price.

Thanks Red!

I'm on holiday in Italy. When we flew in, the EU arrivals queue at passport control was short and fast moving, whereas the non-EU arrivals queue was enormous and very slow. I really didn't envy the people having to wait 1-2 hours to get into the country. It was odd to think that if it hadn't been for a handful of recalcitrant Tory MPs we would have been amongst them.

I see expelling Alistar Campbell from the Labour Party has had the right effect:

David Lock QC @DavidLockQC
As a former Labour MP and Minister, I voted Green in the European elections. I await my expulsion papers

DW saw two cats today ... the white socked one, and the larger (fatter !) black cat. Which made her wonder where our neighbours cat ("Psycho") has gotten to ....

I'm on holiday in Italy. When we flew in, the EU arrivals queue at passport control was short and fast moving, whereas the non-EU arrivals queue was enormous and very slow. I really didn't envy the people having to wait 1-2 hours to get into the country. It was odd to think that if it hadn't been for a handful of recalcitrant Tory MPs we would have been amongst them.

Be fun trying to plan business trips like that ...

I hope there's a slew of I am Spartacus tweets from 'disloyal' Labour party members.

Pmk. Awaiting my expulsion letter from Labour. I guess they’ll only go for the high profile ones. They’ll still want my money.

The way to a deal might be via no deal,perhaps. Alternatively, it might be to a total collapse of the country into a similar state as Venezuela is now in. It seems too much of a gamble, but the Tories and to a lesser extent seem more interested in gambling than trying to consider the needs of the country.

Pmk

In fact there are a few #ExpelMeToo tweets...

Pmk

"I only regret I have but one membership to give up for my party ...."

Meanwhile Theresa is still going....

Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
BREAKING: Theresa May arrives in Brussles for talks, saying Brexit is "now a matter for my successor." Odd to have a zombie PM discussing on UK's behalf.

PM says she won't comment on leadership contest, but still thinks it's best for UK to leave with a deal.

She's gone to Brussels for talks. Which she can't talk about. Because its a matter for her successor.

okayyyyyyy....

Its going to be avoiding a General Election.

With the Fixed Term Parliaments the first step would be avoiding a Vote of No Confidence. Labour is in disarray also, and not really in a fit state for a GE so they may think twice.

Wonder who Hoey voted for.

I see expelling Alistar Campbell from the Labour Party has had the right effect

Or they could just expel Jeremy Corbyn

Pmk

Yeah, Alastair Campbell voting LD. That's what was wrong.

Corbyn is SUCH a twat. He's really shrunk into his role.

Thanks Red. i missed most of the last thread and caught up later.
Delighted to see Alistair Campbell gone Hopefully a good few to follow him out the door if this #ExpelMeToo takes off!

Jeremy Hunt saying he hopes that the EU will reconsider altering the WA! Even though he knows they are dead set against it, he hopes they'll change their mind.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Hunt said he wanted to change the withdrawal agreement that Mrs May negotiated with the EU - despite the bloc repeatedly refusing to re-open talks on the document.

He also pledged to create a new UK negotiating team - drawn from all sides of the Tory Party, plus members of Northern Ireland's DUP - to "give the EU the confidence that any offer can be delivered through Parliament".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48428761

{DW saw two cats today ... the white socked one, and the larger (fatter !) black cat. Which made her wonder where our neighbours cat ("Psycho") has gotten to ....}
I presume this is your 'Misplaced Cat Marker.

And thank you Red for these threads - it's the only way I can just about keep up with the flow of events!

He also pledged to create a new UK negotiating team - drawn from all sides of the Tory Party

Playing to the gallery ?

Misplaced Cat Marker

Not actually owning a cat (but seemingly infested with the things) it's a poor substitute for all the cat pic placemarkers.

Hunt - twerp. I hardly think that even if the EU was minded to re-open negotiations, that they would re-open them only for representatives of one party. I suspect they would want to see a proper cross-party delegation.

{She's gone to Brussels for talks. Which she can't talk about. Because its a matter for her successor.
okayyyyyyy....}

Well the coffee and croissants are very good so she is not entirely stupid.

{ I suspect they would want to see a proper cross-party delegation.}

If only to say NO more efficiently, rather than one at a time.

Would be an interesting development if #expelmetoo leads to self-purging of the Blairites.

Every sympathy with the count in Dublin. I was curious about "reallocating surplus" in NI last night so did some research. According to wiki there are any number of acceptable methods and they can theoretically all lead to different outcomes.

Loads and loads of different strategies for STV too. Scottish council elections in 2016 were interesting because the Tories fielded a sub-optimal number of candidates and ended up under-represented. Looks like DUP/UUP/TUV managed to split the UUP vote yesterday though and cause the opposite effect.

All the gaming possibilities start to make FPTP look entirely rational.