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Westministenders: The One Where Everyone is an Election Expert For 3 Days

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RedToothBrush · 24/05/2019 17:40

The Vote has been cast.

The PM has quit. SHOCK!

We now face The Big Wait.

Waiting for the results. Waiting for the new leader. Waiting for a new direction.

Turnout looks likely to be up overall compared to 2014. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing isn't clear.

At this stage realistically the only definite thing that I think you can actually speculate is the LDs have done very well indeed. Turnout is up in all traditional LD areas and remain areas in general. Though some LDs are getting a little carried away.

Does this mean that the Brexit Party will do badly? No. Its merely a reflection of demographic polarisation. And it may indeed help the Brexit Party ironically. It does suggest that Labour hasn't done well in the north (difference with 2014 turnouts worst in Labour areas) and there are hints that the Cons have done badly (Lincolnshire turnout for the locals was lower than for the EU elections). Something is happening in Wales. But no one seems to really understand what. Its gone 'rogue'!

Plus there are far more leave areas than remain ones. The increases in turnout possibly aren't enough to make a significant dent on the Brexit Party lead.

Not much of an increase in turnout in places like Derby, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, Basildon, Leigh - which all have high leave figures suggest that the Brexit Party are not motivated those they persuaded to the polls for the first time in 2016 for the Ref to vote. Instead it means they can only increase their vote share with a further collapse in the Lab / Con vote from 2014. The question with this is how close were UKIP to the ceiling vote? If you didn't go with UKIP in 2014 would the ref change that? Does this mark it harder for them to hit close to 38% vote share? Argueably yes - but don't get too excited yet either. It doesn't mean they won't do very well, if there is a Lab/Con vote collaspe like the locals. I still would not be surprised by a mid-thirties result.

Psychologically the popular vote matters. This might be important for the future. The vote of those extra referedum voters hasn't been motivated by another protest vote under Farage. Who is going to try and court them? This affects the direction of all the parties.

The real issue is how the seats split down. With the vote fragmented between the LDs, Greens, Plaid and SNP the ranking is against them. And works for the Brexit Party.

Meanwhile Boris Johnson has vowed to crash the UK out the EU without a deal.... what internal numbers is he aware of???

Results due after 10pm Sunday.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:22

RED Question !!

I just re-read May'resignation speech - are there weasel words ? Hmm

"I have agreed with the party chairman and with the chairman of the 1922 Committee that the process for electing a new leader should begin in the following week.

I have kept Her Majesty the Queen fully informed of my intentions,
and
I will continue to serve as her prime minister until the process has concluded" Hmm Confused

Does that mean she stays as PM (not party leader) until the party elects a new leader / PM ?
i.e maybe to end July !

I thought Liddington would take over as caretaker PM from 7 June - is that wrong ?

HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 19:25

I thought she was staying til July but I got that off itv news.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:25

Oh bugger, I was really hoping that weasel Hannan was right for once, peregrina
and that he would be out on his arse,
looking on from outside, while the new British MEPs take their seats

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:26

Hell, more drawn out than Frank SInatra's retirement
and at least he had talent even when well past his prime

Peregrina · 26/05/2019 19:27

Turnout 43% in South Oxfordshire DC and 44% in the Vale of White Horse. Both strong Remain areas.

Reports coming from Oxford City that Labour are not looking happy.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:28

Who is staying up half the night to read the results coming in ? Hmm Grin

Peregrina · 26/05/2019 19:29

Turnout 47% in Oxford City and 41% in West Oxfordshire. Only awaiting Cherwell for the Oxfordshire districts now, and they as far as I remember where the only one to squeak a Leave vote last time.

BestIsWest · 26/05/2019 19:29

I have heard talk of a possible LD in Wales at one point. It depends how many Labour voters went to Plaid and how many to LD. In our house it was 1 PC 2 LD. I fear it won’t happen but you never know.

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:29

BCF, I thought the same and wasn't sure.

I THINK she's staying until the end of the party election as PM but she will not be the leader of the conservative party.

I THINK.

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:37

South Oxfordshire: 43% (34.3%)
Oxford City 47% (38%)
West Oxfordshire 41% (38.5%)

That looks like some pissed off people in Oxfordshire to me (2014 in brackets)

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:38

Vale of White Horse 44% (35.9%)

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Peregrina · 26/05/2019 19:39

The Government is different from the Party and Parliament I think. Hence when Parliament is prorogued for a GE, the Govt carries on. (Well you might say they have been 'carrying on' for the past three years, as in the Carry On films.)

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:39

Thanks, red

That's terrrible for the country
She is totally outed as a zombie PM

The whole world knows it
Trump will eat her alive
Other leaders will just politely ignore anything she says

A caretaker PM like Liddington - who is a safe pair of hands - would be much better

CrunchyCarrot · 26/05/2019 19:40

BCF I'm staying up tonight to watch the results... which according to Huw should come in quickly, suits me! Am not so good at pulling all-nighters any more! Grin

Quintella · 26/05/2019 19:40

Lol bloody lol at Lilico saying anything over 15% for Brexit Party is a good result.

Peregrina · 26/05/2019 19:40

Definitely some pissed of people in Oxfordshire - mostly Remain and we have been ignored for three years, and giving the Tories an absolute drubbing 3 weeks ago still didn't get the message through to them.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:43

Totally different when a PM carries on after a GE hs been called and Parliament is dissolved - normal practice -

to when the PM has been forced to announce her resignation and is humiliated - but continues as a pathetic powerless zombie

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:43

Well I'm off to put the boy to bed (have a lie down).

Back in a bit.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:44

Lillico confirm ing what a bullshitter he is

BigChocFrenzy · 26/05/2019 19:45

crunchy I hope you have plenty of 🍫🍫 to kee you going tonight Smile

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:47

OOOOOO NEWS FROM SCOTLAND

Renfrewshire Council @RenCouncilNews
The verification stage of our count is complete and we will now move on to the counting of votes.

Electorate - 131,088
Total votes cast - 52,784
Turnout - 40.3%

(2014 - 37%)

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HazardGhost · 26/05/2019 19:49

other leaders will politely ignore

Gov needs to get used to being ignored in a post brexit world so perhaps a taster of it will be good?

(Turns out clutching at straws is a muscle that gets stronger with practise Grin )

RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:54

Beth Abbit @BethAbbitMEN
Turnout for the European elections in the North West was 33.1%

Beth Abbit @BethAbbitMEN
Turnout for the North West was 33.68% at the last election back in 2014. So it’s almost exactly the same this time around.

I've got the full list of turnout for the NW which I'll post shortly.

They are GOOD from a turnout PoV I think.

The places you want to be high are...

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RedToothBrush · 26/05/2019 19:55

NW Turnouts

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CrunchyCarrot · 26/05/2019 19:55

crunchy I hope you have plenty of 🍫🍫 to kee you going tonight smile

Haha I can't quite make out what those are, I will likely have to prop my eyelids open with matchsticks unless, of course, things get exciting! Grin

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