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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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ElenadeClermont · 14/04/2019 18:21

Who is he trying to pander to? Who thinks increased maternity pay is a bad thing? Is this like a focus-grouped idea to attract Tory-voting Boris fans over 40? Or has he just had one too many?

TatianaLarina · 14/04/2019 18:33

I've a soft spot for wolves (although I'm not a dog person at all ...)

Me too. If I were not a not a dog person I would get one of these. (Siberian Husky)

Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
MockerstheFeManist · 14/04/2019 18:44

Mrs Farage went off for a drink and never came back.

SwedishEdith · 14/04/2019 18:48

That NF tweet is from 2010.

Whisky2014 · 14/04/2019 18:50

I know
That doesn't make him less of a knob though, does it?

SwedishEdith · 14/04/2019 18:58

That goes without saying. I'm just wondering why that's been posted now?

ElenadeClermont · 14/04/2019 19:01

Thank you SwedishEdith

DGRossetti · 14/04/2019 19:21

Siberian Husky

Not being a dog person, I'm not a great one with breeds, but there are a few people who walk similar looking dogs around here that I see on occasion ...

BestIsWest · 14/04/2019 19:22

DGF I’m certainly contemplating voting Plaid Cymru in the Council elections inMay (My LabourCouncillor is a knob).

I’m seeing a lot of anger this weekend about the Cofio Dryweryn monument being badly vandalised (and rebuilt by some lovely young people) interestingly among people who have never shown any interest in Welsh Nationalism before.

There is also a lot of anger locally about the Swansea Tidal Lagoon not being funded and electrification of the railway stopping at Cardiff. Westminster’s perception of Wales stops at Cardiff.

Who knows, this could be a turning point for Plaid especially if they push themselves as a Remain party.

frumpety · 14/04/2019 20:14

The European Parliament, in their foolishness, have voted for increased maternity pay. I'm off for a drink. #UKIP

Not so keen on women of child bearing age Nigel ? Messy divorce or just pure chauvinism ?

havingtochangeusernameagain · 14/04/2019 20:24

He doesn't come over as remotely left-wing on This Week. Extremely pompous

Never seen it. Sounds like I've had a lucky escape. I do think he comes over well on the Great railway journeys. Even my mum likes watching them and she's a lifelong Labour party member (and thinks Corbyn is a disaster).

havingtochangeusernameagain · 14/04/2019 20:25

Maybe the entire idea of right/left wing is obsolete in the 21st century

Good point, I've often thought politics is more of a circle than a straight line. Maybe it has become a scattergraph.

woman19 · 14/04/2019 20:35

Otto English found it Swedish for the #Women4EU group.

TalkinPaece · 14/04/2019 20:57

BestisWest
Swansea Tidal Lagoon would be the mother of all white elephants and incredibly environmentally destructive - be careful campaigning for it

woman19 · 14/04/2019 21:04

@davidschneider
How dare David Lammy accuse people who champion the German far right or listen to white supremacists of championing the far right or listening to white supremacists.

Grin

With Lammy calling it out, I am tempted back to the Labour.

Peregrina · 14/04/2019 21:13

TiP - I agree the tidal lagoon would be incredibly environmentally destructive. I think they found that with the Rance project in France, when they weren't really aware of environmental issues in the same way. Eventually a new environmental balance was found.

I did like the ideas behind Wales being more than self-sufficient in electricity production though, and would like to see that idea developed further.

borntobequiet · 14/04/2019 21:22

There are financial issues with the lagoon as well, it’s been trundling on in Private Eye for ages.

BestIsWest · 14/04/2019 22:07

TIP, I actually agree with you on the Tidal Lagoon and have voiced my doubts often. I’m just saying what the perception is locally about Westminster’s view of Wales.

Sostenueto · 14/04/2019 22:21

Just back from hospital. Dgd has been rushed in with major condition. She has no platelets at all! Massive rash, bruising. Woke up with it. Has auto immune disorder. I won't be on so much as I will be running to and fro to hospital. High from masterclass at Cambridge wiped out. This illness could either be 6 months plus or for life. No way to know exact cause till next week. Cannot believe what my family is going through.Sad

BestIsWest · 14/04/2019 22:29

Sostenueto Flowers. Best wishes for your DGD

OhYouBadBadKitten · 14/04/2019 22:39

Oh blimey Sos.

prettybird · 14/04/2019 22:40

Fingers crossed that it is not as serious as feared for your dgd Sostenueto Flowers

Songsofexperience · 14/04/2019 22:44

So sorry to hear about your dgd sos. You always sound so proud and so fond of her. I hope she recovers 💐

Sostenueto · 14/04/2019 22:47

She has ITP. We don't know what is causing it yet. It could be the spleen or it could be form of cancer underlying immune system response. Its so serious at mo that she's not allowed to do anything until they can get platelet count up for fear of internal bleeding.

Sostenueto · 14/04/2019 22:50

Yes have always been so proud of her in all ways. I could not imagine life without her. She is the light of my life. We are like soulmates in many ways not just grandmother and granddaughter.Sad

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