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Westminstenders: May plays Sale of the Century

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RedToothBrush · 28/11/2018 12:17

Theresa May is currently in the midst of a campaign to sell her deal to the public. Unfortunately she appears that there are only 649 people she needs to sell it to, and that's not going so well.

She attempted a sales pitch to potential Labour rebels and succeeded in getting them to actively decide to vote against her.

There are currently 100 backbench tories who have stated they will vote against it, which makes parliamentary maths very difficult.

There is a rising support for plan b in the form of Norway Plus. This may make Remainers less likely to vote for a deal but persuade some leavers to back May.

The ECJ A50 Court case has been heard. Judgment has not been given yet. Its due 'soon'.

Next week the Withdrawal Agreement will be debated in Parliament with the vote due at 7pm on Tuesday 11th December.

Expect a rough couple of weeks.

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Bejazzled · 04/12/2018 19:23

Just sat down to watch a bit, first question I saw was an snp asking Corbyn if he would back an indyref 2. W T F, irrelevant and uncalled for.

Is there no beginning to this party's integrity!

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:23

11 Tories seem to have abstained on the Contempt vote. It's a pain to go through the list atm as it's just on the app and not yet on the website. I have spotted that Soubry was one but Grieve and Clarke were not. So interesting.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 04/12/2018 19:25

@davidallengreen
Why is Theresa May now explaining how we have got to this?

Hasn't she at every stage been "absolutely clear"?

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:27

There is an official app called Commons Votes.

It should come up later on the Hansard website. If it comes up tonight I will link to it.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:29

Corbyn's speech appears to be arguing for Continuity Remain from the content of what he's said! Not an alternative Leave Deal.

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bellinisurge · 04/12/2018 19:31

@2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney - hope all is ok. I had my phone die during a family hospital emergency. Stressful stuff.
Hope the political news has been a slightly less unpleasant relief.

nicoala1 · 04/12/2018 19:32

Thank you RTB

You are a legend in all this. Kudos.

But I am still baffled lol. Too much happening!

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:34

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Dominic Grieve tells Sky News
“Can’t guarantee that No Deal is off the table but a device that was trying to manoeuvre us towards No Deal is off the table”

Grieve: it gives me no pleasure to defeat the Government - I have no desire to undermine the PM - but the only way to work through this is to debate all the options

On a No confidence vote you side with Government? Grieve: of course I do

Grieve: if this deal is passed by Parliament it won’t resolve anything - divisions will continue past March 29th... We need to extend A50 in order to have another referendum... remain option needs to be on the ballot paper.

Tested the “ECJ/ Grieve amendment means no No Deal and perhaps No Brexit so ERGers will vote for May’s Deal to get some Brexit theory” with a top Tory Brexiter. “No chance, it’s an affront to democracy, I’m voting against for my daughter”.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:36

Robert Peston @Peston
Listening to @theresa_may it sounded like she will try to reassure Northern Ireland's DUP and her Brexiter MPs by giving a greater role to parliament in the implementation of the backstop - perhaps requiring some kind of vote to MPs, or Northern Ireland's assembly...

...(which is in abeyance) before the backstop could be implemented. This is speculation on my part, I should say. And I can't judge whether it would placate the DUP and Tory Brexiters

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:36

Robert Peston @Peston
I suspect as and when the Attorney's legal advice to Cabinet is finally released - probably tomorrow - it will be like that film everyone tells you is great but never lives up to the billing. It is just a few pages and will be a synopsis of what Cox said yesterday...

...in the Commons. But maybe seeing "there's no escape from the backstop" typed out rather than spoken will somehow prove more shocking and chilling to Brexiters and Northern Ireland's DUP. But I doubt it will either soften or harden their opposition to @theresa_may's Brexit plan

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:37

Robert Peston @Peston
@BorisJohnson: "I cannot believe there is a single member of this house who sincerely believes this deal we have before us is a good deal". @edvaizey says "he sincerely believes" it is a good deal. As all know @michaelgove is close to Vaizey, So this is Gove Vs Johnson revisited

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2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 04/12/2018 19:39

Thanks Bellini she is doing ok , hense back home this pm from other side of the country. I will go back when she is let out to assist st theirs.

TheElementsSong · 04/12/2018 19:39

Wow, what a day!

Talkinpeece · 04/12/2018 19:42

@RedToothBrush
Is this the right voting list utter novice on that website
hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-12-04/division/15C96E04-84B4-4E2E-ADEA-64491F96C84A/Privilege(WithdrawalAgreementLegalAdvice)?outputType=Names

SwedishEdith · 04/12/2018 19:44

Boris Johnson was asked what he offers the 48%. Stumped and then waffle.

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:46

Damian McBride @DPMcBride
This is the speech of a PM who knows she's done, and is trying to write her own obituary in advance. I think she's going to walk next week.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
.... as exclusively predicted in paragraph 6 of the third biggest story on page 6 of The Times this morning

HERE:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-may-steps-up-small-talk-to-woo-tory-rebels-3lwdz8cdw
Brexit: Theresa May steps up small talk to woo Tory rebels

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RedToothBrush · 04/12/2018 19:46

Talkin, that be it!

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Violetparis · 04/12/2018 19:49

Boris is making an absolute fool of himself.

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 19:50

He looks a mess and sounds a mess. Without the glamour of real power, he is nothing.

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 19:51

GIVE WAY !!

WhatdoImean · 04/12/2018 19:53

Boris is making an absolute fool of himself.

...because he IS a fool?

Hazardswan · 04/12/2018 19:53

Following off and on all afternoon on here and sky news.

Happier day!

2bees thinking of you and your family. Hope the travelling didn't and won't add further stress Flowers

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 19:54

Ken Clarke I wuff you a bit...Blush

Grinchly · 04/12/2018 20:00

Ok signing off from the nerdy stuff for light relief elsewhere @peregrina?
As any fule know...

nicoala1 · 04/12/2018 20:13

Sorry to say it now, but I think the happenings today will not have impacted on very many people.

Most will not have a clue what is going on. Sorry, that sounds awful. But I really believe this now.