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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

999 replies

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

OP posts:
golondrina · 05/08/2018 20:05

So, you're against No deal then, seeing as you agree that the consequences are no planes taking off and landing?

So, aren't you worried that the government is preparing for no deal?

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:06

rosstac, surfer said exactly that.

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:07

LikeIDo1 I’m willing to have a wager with anyone for charity, only £100 because that’s all the savings I’ve got, that with or with a deal planes will still be flying in and out of the U.K.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:08

It's ok to prepare so the legal consequences of a no deal happens. But people saying XYZ will happen are just speculating, not stating facts, because we don't know if there will be a deal or not as we can't see into the future.

FFS- it is perfectly possible to say if X happens then Y will follow.

Just because Leavers don't think beyond the next 5 minutes, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 05/08/2018 20:08

Bearbehind Ah so we have at least agreed to disagree that a WTO deal is even possible.

So no need to argue about it any more as we have both agreed its up to the whim of TM.

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:09

Bearbehind But you still can’t see why a certain number of people are against FOM as it stands

Moussemoose · 05/08/2018 20:10

Rosstac I would be interested to know where you live and what communities you are dealing with.

I teach ESOL (English for speakers of other languages). All the European students I come in contact with already speak English to a good level, all have a European level of education which is excellent, all of them work and pay tax, most of them rent privately.

I'm talking about 16- 19 year olds. No ones education is being held back as they are mostly significantly better educated than the white, working class boys I teach.

As young people they have very little to do with the NHS. The vast majority want to integrate into the community and work so they can pay tax. They are mostly in the county to join relatives.

So your experiences.....?

This is not true of all students but it definitely is in relation to EU students.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:11

fangirl WTO, whilst theoretically possible, is not going to happen.

And I've just clocked who you were in a previous user name life!

LikeIDo1 · 05/08/2018 20:11

No I'm saying it's fine to prepare yourself for the worse if ithappens but it's not ok to state the worst will happen as though that's a fact. That's just creating hysteria.

Prepare your home for a sub zero winter by getting extra blankets/wood for your fire if you have one, pay more in the summer for gas so you don't get massive heating bills in the winter, buy a hot water bottle etc. Prepare in case it does happen. But don't go around telling everyone it definitely will happen as a fact because it might just not snow all winter.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:12

But you still can’t see why a certain number of people are against FOM as it stands

Yes I can.

Because they are racist, ill-informed bigots who think all the non-white people should leave too.

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:12

Moussemoose The school I’m talking about is for kids 5-11

frumpety · 05/08/2018 20:12

I think the issue is that 'the future' is fast approaching , less than 8 months to go in fact. It was fine talking about the future 2 years ago and pretending that there was no possible way to predict any outcomes. Not so much now.

Moussemoose · 05/08/2018 20:13

surferjet I'm not a support of JC but he is a great support of FE. He believes that students who mess up their first chance of education should be supported while they try to improve.

I can only assume you support JC on this topic.

prettybird · 05/08/2018 20:13

Rosstac is willing to have a wager with anyone for charity, only £100 because that’s all the savings I’ve got, that with or with a deal planes will still be flying in and out of the U.K.

.....Heads I win, tails you lose Confused.

Good wager that Hmm Wonder if anyone will take Rosstac up on it? Wink

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:14

Bearbehind It’s seems you are the racist here then, I’m talking about EU immigration

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:14

prettybird Yes sorry I meant with or without a deal

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:16

So am I rosstac, but those ill-informed enough to think EU immigration is a major problem are hardly going to welcome those without white skin are they?

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:16

Bearbehind Or perhaps they are using real experience of life conditions not just reading about them in some pro EU paper

surferjet · 05/08/2018 20:17

Moussemoose - I like JC yes.

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:18

No rosstac, because these so called 'real life experiences' are the kind of bollocks stories about supermarket and coffee shop workers posted earlier.

I.e., Chinese whispers or Urban myths exagertated for effect.

Rosstac · 05/08/2018 20:18

Bearbehind As I’ve told you before I have no problem with a job based visa system, what is wrong with that ?

LikeIDo1 · 05/08/2018 20:19

FFS- it is perfectly possible to say if X happens then Y will follow.

Just because Leavers don't think beyond the next 5 minutes, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

It is perfectly possible to say if x happens then y will follow yes.

But some remainers aren't saying it like that are they. They are stating how awful the country will be and everyone's lives will be damaged when they can't possibly know that without a crystal ball into the future.

We don't even know if a deal will or will not be made so any conversations now are purely peoples speculations on what could happen in the future and shouldn't be what definitely will happen when we leave the EU full stop.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 05/08/2018 20:20

Because they are racist, ill-informed bigots who think all the non-white people should leave too Wow! what a bigoted racist comment to make. Shame on you Bearbehind

Bearbehind · 05/08/2018 20:20

My problem is, we could have effectively implemented that without leaving the EU.

It's very telling that you and surfer are 2 of the most prolific Leavers on here and clearly only voted based on immigration and fuck all the other consequences.

LikeIDo1 · 05/08/2018 20:21

"Because they are racist, ill-informed bigots who think all the non-white people should leave too."

Some are yes but you can't tar everyone who is against FOM as a one blanket fits all.