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Brexit

An open letter to leavers

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 12:54

Dear Leavers

I’m sorry that David Cameron offered us a referendum and promised to respect the outcome, whatever it was.

Unfortunately, he was fucking with you.

He promised that referendum when he didn’t think he stood a cat’s chance in hell of getting a majority, and never thought he’d actually have to deliver on it. When he got his surprise majority, he made a big show of going to Brussels and pretending to negotiate with the EU to get us a “better deal”. Unfortunately, he already knew perfectly well that the UK already had a better deal than any other country in the EU, and that they were not going to bend over backwards to get us to stay. So he made a big show of negotiating and then tried to pretend that he had done something meaningful. He then went through the motions of holding a referendum, half-heartedly campaigning to remain. He did absolutely no contingency planning, partly because he never believed that leave would actually win, and partly because he already knew that he had no intention of staying to deal with the fallout if they did. That’s why he resigned the day after the referendum and waltzed off, whistling a merry tune.

He played a high risk game of poker with our money, and lost.

I understand that many of you feel defensive about your decision and dislike being labelled “thick” by angry remainers. As a remainer myself, I feel saddened and frustrated that none of you seem able to articulate any benefits that will actually come out of Brexit. But at this stage, I would quite happily accept that there will be no benefits, and settle for damage limitation. Unfortunately none of you seem able to explain how we limit the damage either.

We cannot leave the single market and customs union without there being a hard border in Ireland, which will put people’s lives at risk. We cannot leave the single market and customs union without severely damaging most sectors of the economy, which would cause untold hardship for millions of people living in the UK. I realise that remaining in the single market and customs union would make leaving the EU pointless, but it is the only way to limit the damage.

The government has made almost no progress towards getting a workable deal in place, and time is running out. We don’t have the infrastructure in place to ensure that supply chains of essential food and medicine will not be disrupted after Brexit day. We don’t have a plan to ensure that planes will still be able to take off and land, or that satnav will still work. We do not have any trade deals lined up. We simply do not have time to do any of these things.

Dear leavers, you do not have solutions to any of these problems, and more importantly, neither do Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis, Liam Fox, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Andrea Leadsom, Daniel Hannan, Jeremy Corbyn, Kate Hoey or any of the people who claim to think Brexit is the right choice for the UK.

A no-deal Brexit is unthinkable. It is not an option.

I realise that many of you will feel betrayed if we do not get the kind of Brexit you want. But to be honest, you’re going to feel betrayed even if you do get the kind of Brexit you want, because it will be unimaginably shit. This is not "project fear", it is "project reality".

The government has a duty to act in the best interests of the country as a whole. It’s not good enough to lay the blame at David Cameron’s door and say he held the referendum so we have to respect the vote. David Cameron has been out of office for two years. It is now plainer than ever that leaving the EU is a terrible idea, and there is still time to put the brakes on and not go through with it. If the government goes through with this when they could put a stop to it, they cannot continue to blame David Cameron and claim that their hands were tied. They are not.

It is time for Theresa May to do the decent thing and say, “I’m sorry, I know it’s what the people voted for, but it simply can’t be done without causing a totally unacceptable amount of harm to the country. And I have a duty of care towards everyone, not just the 51.8% who voted leave.”

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 14:00

Some do. I chose to go abroad rather than staying in Brexit Britain. I feel bad for those who don't have that choice though.

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LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 14:02

And the reason for this deliberate approach, I believe, is that they are hoping that everybody who voted leave will suddenly rise up and say that they didn't vote for the shambles they and everyone else will get, so perhaps we shouldn't be leaving after all.

I could believe that of Theresa May, but not of the hard Brexiters like Jacob Rees-Mogg.

And even if that is her game, it's a very dangerous one, and she really ought to have learnt from Cameron that you can't rely on people to do what you think is the obviously sensible thing.

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ReevaDiva · 02/08/2018 14:08

LoveInTokyo I would love to have that option. I'm so ashamed of this country now. And I think we've gone too far now to appease the right that we can never course correct to what should have been. You can see it in the prominence and normalisation of people like Farage, Bannon, even Tommy Robinson. These people used to be off the agenda, now they're on the BBC (our national TV network, for fuck's sake) on at least a weekly basis.

It's our version of Trump; he is dismantling norms at a rate faster than we can yet know, and we can never go back to before it happened. I'm horrified at what might come next.

frangdoodle · 02/08/2018 14:18

Why the hell will nobody do anything effective to get rid of Corbyn? Having no effective opposition is the real killer.

ReevaDiva · 02/08/2018 14:23

I don't know frangdoodle, but that would be the game changer. Sad i guess they tried before and the PLP were at odds with the party as a whole so it couldn't be done.

frangdoodle · 02/08/2018 14:26

Most labour supporters want to remain in the EU. Corbyn and Momentum have sold the country down the river.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 14:28

Odd. One minute people who voted Remain are a bunch of snowflake wimps, next minute we are meanies for not coaxing beLeavers back from the brink by saying nice encouraging things.
Laugh my fecking arse off while I wait for my Irish passport to arrive.

surferjet · 02/08/2018 14:33

Dear LoveInTokyo

Thank you for your letter dated 2/8/18, & for supplying us with your thoughts.
Sadly, we are unable to comply with any of your requests on the basis of you being a complete nobody.

You’ll be pleased to hear however, that we have swapped Africa for you ego ( your face will now appear on the map where that particular continent used to be....but please give it 24 hours )
we feel this is far more appropriate in the circumstances.

Thank you again for thinking you can change the minds of 17 million people, it’s always great to hear from deluded optimists.

Yours etc

ReevaDiva · 02/08/2018 14:34

"You’ll be pleased to hear however, that we have swapped Africa for you ego ( your face will now appear on the map where that particular continent used to be"

Dafuq???

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 14:35

Dear Surfer

Solutions?

Cheers

LoveinTokyo

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bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 14:38

@surferjet - remind me again of the population of this country? Is it 17.5 million?

Cornishclio · 02/08/2018 14:43

Thoroughly agree.

I have yet to hear any leave voter articulate a valid reason for us leaving the EU. They all tend to be ideological reasons, like we are in charge now rather than the big EU bullies or now we can do what we like and immigration will be lower when in fact we know that neither of these things are true. We live in a global world and what is it in fact that the EU are stopping us doing?

It will be interesting if in fact we do leave next March and the leave voters suddenly realise the UK is not in a better position but far far worse. I have also noticed that leavers don't give any facts, it is all insults, accuse remainers of scaremongering and what they think are clever answers. Surfer is an example of this.

ReevaDiva · 02/08/2018 14:46

Then they wonder why they get labelled thick Hmm Maybe because all of their excellent sound reasons are in fact just bluster and anger and 'how dare you/people's vote/take back control' to cover up the fact that they are just cottoning on to the fact that they've been had.

By Russian bots. You fucking geniuses.

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 14:48

But if they are "cottoning on" then there is no shame in admitting it and they would really all be doing us a massive solid by coming out and saying, "this isn't what we thought we were voting for".

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ReevaDiva · 02/08/2018 14:51

Yes, but most people aren't that happy admitting they're wrong. The're backed into a defensive corner and lashing out.

Here @surferjet just one quick look on Twitter brought me this. Thank FUCK we're taking back control of medical rese- oh wait, it's going to be a dangerous shitshow.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/02/uks-brexit-proposals-threaten-future-of-eu-says-barnier

notaswarmtomorrow · 02/08/2018 14:51

LoveinToyko with you 100%.

Surferjet Hmm

Cornishclio · 02/08/2018 14:52

I am not sure what a general election would solve as I am not convinced leave voters know what they were voting for. They just know they are voting against the EU.

Rosstac · 02/08/2018 14:54

bellinisurge Are you still banging on about that, it doesn’t matter about the population of this country, out of the people that were allowed to vote in the referendum the majority of people that voted, voted to leave, what is so hard for you to understand, if we had a second referendum and no leavers took part, and the no voters didn’t vote again, only 16 million people would have voted to remain in EU, you would be happy with only 24% of the population voting to keep us in because it suits

LoveInTokyo · 02/08/2018 14:57

it doesn’t matter about the population of this country, out of the people that were allowed to vote in the referendum the majority of people that voted, voted to leave, what is so hard for you to understand

What is hard for us to understand is how this is actually going to work, because the leavers have so far failed to come up with anything resembling a plan, or any solutions to the problems I outlined in my OP.

Fancy having a crack at it?

The politicians have failed, so if you want Brexit to actually happen, maybe you should be coming up with your own solutions and then writing to your MP about them.

Why don't you look at this thread as a brainstorming page?

Prove me wrong. Tell us your solutions.

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Moussemoose · 02/08/2018 15:01

The country is faced with one of the biggest crises since WW2 and you ask why someone would post about it on a sunny day. Implying the OP has her priorities wrong.

A democracy is only as good as the people in it. So good people have to do what they can. If what you can do is write in a convincing and logical,way that might, just might influencing one person then do it.

Or you could sneer at them.

falcon5 · 02/08/2018 15:03

Well you tried LoveinTokyo :) And so far we have had various versions of the theme.. "all.people who voted x on one day are all exactly the same". I suppose let me start with anyone who says on the leave side "We voted for..". No, YOU voted for x and maybe the immediate people you have talked to. You don't have clear insight into the minds of 17 million people... just off the top of my head the reasons in immediate speaking to people I have come across include... worries about TTIP (that they thought rejecting ever closer union would stave off somehow), ability to have stronger environmental laws, remaining part of NATO rather than an EU army, etc. Many of these people had no real vision of the how of it and would have been happy with a Norway type deal. I'm equally sure there are lots of people with very different views but this is the point.... lots of different views so you can't talk on the behalf of all people who voted leave at that time.

RomanyRoots · 02/08/2018 15:04

What does influencing do now, the damage is done.
What crises, we are not under threat of attack, we don't have rationing, even if we have to wait a couple of days for goods to be delivered.
Scaremongering and believing gov spin does not mean crisis.

bellinisurge · 02/08/2018 15:05

"it doesn’t matter about the population of this country, out of the people that were allowed to vote in the referendum the majority of people that voted, voted to leave, what is so hard for you to understand"

So many things wrong with that. It does matter about the population of this country if a minority fuck it up for everyone.
What would you be saying if it had gone the other way? Bet you wouldn't be sucking it up.

akerman · 02/08/2018 15:06

Cue resounding silence from idiots like surferjet. The sneerers people are when they try to shut down observations about Brexit being a total shitstorm, the less they ever have to propose in concrete terms about how to make things work. Our politicians will not do at for us. So I'm grateful that instead of sitting mired in smug apathy on a sunny afternoon, loveintokyo is at least trying to open peoples' eyes. This simply would not happen in a place like France because people would be rising up on a sunny afternoon. Not so long ago it didn't happen here either, as people said no to the poll tax.

Tanith · 02/08/2018 15:06

“I just cannot get my head round someone who on a sunny Wednesday afternoon decides that top priority for today is to write an open letter about Brexit to put in Mumsnet.”

I don’t know where you are, Fenwick, but it’s not Wednesday afternoon here.

Op posted at Thursday lunchtime. And yes, it does matter when there is strong suspicion of foreign interference in the Referendum.

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