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Brexit

Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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QuentinSummers · 09/09/2017 16:32

Ooh first post. Nice OP

LurkingHusband · 09/09/2017 17:56

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Plonkysaurus · 09/09/2017 18:38

Placemats king

woman9917 · 09/09/2017 18:44

Looking forward to Manchester, October 1st.Smile TBC will do nicely for the ERG.

TheNumberfaker · 09/09/2017 18:50

Could it all fall apart soon? Am I deluded?

boldlygoingsomewhere · 09/09/2017 19:38

Great to see so many people marching and thanks for the new thread RTB

HashiAsLarry · 09/09/2017 19:50

Placemat king
Thanks as ever rtb

BiglyBadgers · 09/09/2017 20:12

Hello new thread. My DH got whisked into hospital with pneumonia yesterday, so not posting much but checking the thread in controlled bursts when I feel I can deal with the shit storm. Thanks for keeping me updated Smile

woman9917 · 09/09/2017 20:14

Flowers bigly

lalalonglegs · 09/09/2017 20:16

Poor Mr Badgers Flowers. What a bummer - I hope he feels better soon - aren't you meant to be starting your training any moment?

Thanks for the new thread, Red - and hurrah for the return of James Chapman on the last thread!

Badders08 · 09/09/2017 20:16

Knope2020 here...nn change yet again
Thanks red
Get well soon to biglys dh Flowers

SwedishEdith · 09/09/2017 20:18

Sorry to hear that Bigly.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 20:37

Get well soon Mr Bigly

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LurkingHusband · 09/09/2017 20:38

I know it probably won't make any difference

Maybe not now. But it'll stand in history ..

BestIsWest · 09/09/2017 20:43

Placemarking

HashiAsLarry · 09/09/2017 20:49

bigly get well soon dh. Flowers

WifeofDarth · 09/09/2017 20:49

Flowers Bigly. Thanks again RTB.

RandomlyGenerated · 09/09/2017 20:56

Play smirking - hope Mr Badgers gets well quickly.

HesterThrale · 09/09/2017 21:02

Placemat king.

Government is rigged:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-power-grab-plan-election-lost-majority-parliament-rig-a7937081.html?amp

There is no transparency and accountability:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=w21rPkulTek

We are heading for some major turmoil to get rid of it.

annandale · 09/09/2017 21:09

Play smacking.

I feel like a sense of doom about NI. I can imagine the rest of it working out in a funny sort of way, with all of us much poorer, a skeletal NHS covering children and over 70s only, expensive boring food, that kind of thing. I can't see the border issue working out at all.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2017 21:10

bigly and your DH Flowers
I hope he is home asap

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2017 21:10

Thanks, red Flowers

SingaSong12 · 09/09/2017 21:27

Thanks Red - great summary of the state we find ourselves in.

BiglyBadgers · 09/09/2017 21:54

aren't you meant to be starting your training any moment?

Yes! This was supposed to be my two weeks of relaxing in my pants watching Netflix. Sod's law isn't it.

Thanks for the best wishes everyone. You're the best! Grin

DorothyL · 09/09/2017 22:18

Sorry to pop my head round the door. As some of you might remember I'm German.
Watching Last Night of the Proms. That kind of thing used to give me goosebumps. I used to be so impressed with Britain's history and what I thought was such a relaxed form of patriotism.
Now I feel so sickened. I feel betrayed. Was I just blind or naive before? Or what changed? And when, and why?

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