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Westminstenders: The beginning of the dictatorship and the end of Boris?

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 10:55

Brexit is being fought in the UK media and parliament on the premise that the EU is being difficult and obstructive.

The fallacy can not be understated.

What the UK fails to understand is the right of the EU to put their own interests before the UKs. It doesn't under that our demands cannot be met even if the EU wanted to for practical and legal reasons - not political ones because our understanding of the situation and law is so poor.

The net result is the slippage of the next phase of Brexit talks being pushed to Christmas by the EU due to lack of progress by the UK. Barnier is open to more regular and intense talks but this is bad news for the UK with the a50 clock ticking.

The main stumbling block is NI a with Barnier warning not to use the border as a way to test EU resolve. Brexit always about the NI border. The UK have never provided a solution to the EU that does not produce a hard border. The idea being pushed by the UK will create one despite claiming it won't. The reality is the only viable solutions are either staying in the single market and customs union or NI being granted special status and being different to the rest of the country. The former is opposed by the government, the later opposed by the DUP.

The DUP are getting a taste of their own medicine. They have been warned that Assembly Members might have pay frozen and if they don't reform Stormont they won't get their Billion Pound Booty. Plus Ian Paisley Jr just found a new scandal for the party.

May is trying to channel Venezuela by getting rid of democracy when it suits. The Great Repel Bill (aka as the Withdrawal Bill) faces it's challenge. The much feared Henry VIII in clause 9 are not only facing criticism from Remainers but also from the secretive crackpots of Tory Bastard Club (aka ERG). The TBC want hard cliff edge Brexit. May seems to support given her goodwill burning interference at the Home Office which seeks to discriminate against all foreigners and make them sign a register. The visa system and how it will attract much needed staff for the NHS makes the mind boggle.

The Repel Bill also could end the possibility of transition due to clause 6 which requires us to leave the ECJ. Given the May's ambition to make EU citizens display their stars in job applications this is totally unable to the EU. If it passes the chances of transition drop dramatically. Bye bye Smooth and Orderly.

Then there is the May-Bot paradox: the one were she gives a friendly speech to the EU and a nasty on to the Swivel Eyed Loon gathering. As if neither will be reported to the other audience.

On top of this May is attempting the Parliament Rigging Act as she has a 'majority Government'. Yep I know, this is the general election version of 'will of the people'. The Rigging Act seeks to stack parliamentary committees with Tory majorities so they can stop any bill they don't like getting anywhere need the main chamber this limiting the power of opposition to irrelevant. Sadly I think this one will get through due to maths of the HoC atm.

We shouldn't forget the role of the HoL though and the lack of a majority government (why do you think May is saying majority government? It's down to the Sewell convention and trying to make the case it applies when the argument is it doesn't for a minority government).

The other development is the rumours that Boris is for the boot. And Rees-Mogg might get a promotion.

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2017 22:30

I was impressed at the EU flags

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SwedishEdith · 09/09/2017 22:32

Nah, I've always found it embarrassing Dorothy.

DorothyL · 09/09/2017 22:32

Yes I saw those, happily. It's not so much the Proms which clearly are international in outlook, but the emotions connected to that music.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 09/09/2017 22:33

Placemat king

Flowers Bigly

HesterThrale · 09/09/2017 22:35

Hi Dorothy, and yes, I think a lot of British-born people feel the same. Like 'our' country has been hijacked.

Peregrina · 09/09/2017 23:34

Back from the march now. Significantly fewer than in March. I felt also it was a slightly younger marching group. I agree with the others, a more determined set of marchers and a more deep seated anger among the marchers. We didn't stay for many of the speeches - had other things to do that afternoon.

mathanxiety · 10/09/2017 04:49

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Great photos from the march on the other thread - thank you!

Flowers to the Bigly family.

taytopotato · 10/09/2017 05:06

Brilliant opening RTB.

Get well soon Mr Bigly

MsHooliesCardigan · 10/09/2017 05:49

Flowers for Mr Bigly

MsHooliesCardigan · 10/09/2017 05:54

Red I really wish there was some sort of award I could nominate you for. You're an absolute trooper and thank you so much for keeping these threads going for the last 15 months. Your intelligence actually frightens me a little bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds these threads a lifeline in these uncertain times.

woman9917 · 10/09/2017 06:07

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/daniel-barenboims-proms-brexit-sermon-was-just-poor-conduct/

Barenboim, who created an Arab/Israeli peace orchestra, spoke out against what's happening, here.

As the whole of the British media seems hellbent on this process, I thought the numbers were quite astonishing. There has been little or no publicity for it. The poll tax happened after quite a lot of consciousness raising throughout thatcher's regime, with a relatively free press, and Spitting Image on every week, satirising the tories.

That so many of the speakers were ordinary people, and lined to the 3 million, gave a startling insight into the impact of the 'hostile environment' on real humans.

Wiktor Moszczynski, from London, who was at the March one gave a good speech on how indigenous children were told to 'go home' the day after the vote.

The community worker, Rafal Skarbek, from Somerset's most recent case work was an EU woman with a three month old baby now homeless, having had the 'hostile environment' policy enacted against her, with the threat of deportation. He said that 2000 EU citizens had left Somerset because of the 'hostile environment'.

He pointed out that most who were placed in deportation centres were the vulnerable. Someone with Home Office links had posted something to this effect here, ages back.

Another suicide in one this week:
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/09/polish-immigrant-dies-after-suicide-attempt-in-uk-detention-centre

Good news is, it's in the European press:

Ajmpol ❄️‏
@ajmpolite
#PeopleMarch4EU Third item on main German TV news (ARD). Good pictures. #KeepUpTheNoise #StopTheMadness #StopBrexit

www.lemonde.fr/referendum-sur-le-brexit/article/2017/09/09/a-londres-des-milliers-de-personnes-defilent-contre-le-brexit_5183454_4872498.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1504985403

woman9917 · 10/09/2017 06:11

Another write up in German paper:
www.tagesschau.de/ausland/brexit-london-103.html

Everytimeref · 10/09/2017 07:44

See Blair has popped up again. (Place marking)

PattyPenguin · 10/09/2017 07:56

The march was on the Channel 4 news last night. Reasonably chunky item, too. Didn't see the other bulletins.

Hope Mr Bigly gets well soon.

QuentinSummers · 10/09/2017 07:57

I think a lot of British-born people feel the same. Like 'our' country has been hijacked.
Yes me too. I am scared as well. Growing up the whole narrative of our tolerance, ability to stand up against bigotry ('re WW2) was such a huge thing. Now apparently overnight it seems to be acceptable to be racist and intolerant. The anti-muslim narrative is terrifying. I worry where it's going to end and am horrified this has happened to my country.
Really really wish I had studied languages to a higher level so I could leave.

EternalOptimistToo · 10/09/2017 08:18

Place marking

greygeeze · 10/09/2017 08:20

ditto

TheElementsSong · 10/09/2017 08:22

Oh, found you all!

Thanks for another excellent summary RTB, and Get Well Soon Bigly's DH.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/09/2017 08:37

So sorry you feel worried in Britain, Dorothy
I've emigrated to Germany and I feel very welcome

Bolshybookworm · 10/09/2017 08:37

I feel the same Quentin Sad

ElenaGreco123 · 10/09/2017 09:34

Thank you for the new thread. Flowers

I was listening to Radio 5 live yesterday, and the march was only mentioned in the news bulletins. Of course, Saturday is Premier League, but I expected more of them.

pointythings · 10/09/2017 09:40

Flowers for MrBigly.

Thanks for the thread, Red. Yeah my DDs were among those to be told to 'Fuck off back home' on the 24th o July 2016. To which my razor-sharp DD2 said' What, to Cambridge?' (where she was born) But it was an ugly day.

Peregrina · 10/09/2017 09:40

The march did make the BBC news - I was reading about it on the train home. This is a big improvement on last time, where with a much bigger march, Carswell's defection from UKIP was the main item.

I see that Blair has jumped on the bandwagon and is saying that 'migrants' should register - as the Sunday Times points out, a policy he didn't bother to enact when he was in Government, and could have done.

The Tories plan to steal some of Labour's clothes on tuition fees. Somehow, I don't think it's going to work for them.

HappydaysArehere · 10/09/2017 09:42

Disaster, all the way. Only light is the possibility of Boris getting kicked out and I hope it's soon. It might show May has real backbone.

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