Anybody else wish the EU referendum had never happened? Or Remain had won?

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I feel like the country is in a fucking mess already and we haven't even started to leave yet. So much uncertainty.

I voted Remain though, I know this must be colouring my view. Any Leave voters wishing it had never happened or even that Remain had won? Are you still happy with how it's going? I'm fed up with it all but am really trying to see the other side. Not looking forward to yet another election which I fear may be just around the corner.

It is a mess but it is a mess of the Tories making. Delighted with the election results as the Tories will own the Brexit fallout.

I agree Ghost, but we will all have to deal with Brexit fallout.

I do wonder who would call another election after the shock of this one. How far up in the polls would you have to be in order to be sure of getting a majority? It does slightly depress me that the last four big votes - Brexit, Trump, Macron and 8/6 - have mainly been about thumping the people in power.

Me.

Cameron should not have gambled with the country in support of his own struggling leadership,

Any referendum should have been far more detailed and specific: WHAT did people want out of Leave, and why? TM is acting blind on a mix of people with different views on immigration, the economy, sovereignty, protest voters, etc.

Our Chairship of the EU would have begun in January.

Had the 52 / 48 result been the other way around it might have given a shot across the bows and strengthening the UK's hand in negotiating. Other EU countries may have considered themselves equally near the bone. As it is, it is now in the EU's leadership's interest to make an example of the UK.

There were things to question about the functioning of the EU, IMO, but we have ended up in an embarrassing position. Europe must be laughing at us. Strong and stable, indeed.... TM behind Brexit talks with Europe knowing she is in a wobbly position.

I mean had it been 48 / 52 we could have been in but , especially as Chair, had a stronger voice.

Did you vote Leave though TestTubeTeen? I wonder if it's just Remainers who wish it'd never happened and people who voted Leave all think it's worth it. I fear the pain hasn't even started yet.

Every fucking day.

I could cheerfully strangle Cameron for letting a Tory bitch-fight play out like this.

Yes

Agree with you op.

No.
And unfortunately a good warning for being careful what you wish for. A rampant JC and a diminished negotiating position.
Thanks to all the peopke who wished the UK ill.

Why is Labour/JC/their voters being blamed for this?

Tories called the EU referendum with DC thinking he could walk it. He didn't walk it. The country threw itself into financial turmoil as a result.

The Tories called the snap election with May thinking she would walk it. She didn't walk it. The country threw itself into financial and political turmoil and screwed up Brexit as a result.

Where is Labour's responsibility in all of that?

pearlydewdropsdrop people who don't agree with you aren't "wishing the country ill" !

How JC could make our negotiating position more weak I don't know.

I have been unhappy since the referendum and have never been convinced it's a good thing, particularly since the govt has no clue what kind of deals we'll be having. I think David Cameron is completely to blame for that.

I also blame JC for the referendum results. If we'd had Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper as leader, they would have been keen to tell the public of the problems of leaving. It took ages to actually figure out what JC believed - I still haven't heard him talk about leaving in any convincing way.

I feel we're in a complete mess and it's the public who will suffer. I feel we're a laughing stock on the world stage, too.

Of course the breakdown of Europe is exactly what Russia is after - they must be so happy with us.

Every day, OP! You might find this of interest.

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/02/ian-mcewan-denialist-confessions-remainer-brexit

Everybody unhappy, are you all Remain voters?

pearlydewdropsdrop Did you vote Leave?

I wonder if it's just that I'm a Remainer that I am unhappy with (what I believe) the mess we are now in because of the referendum. Are Leavers a lot more positive and happy so far?

The thing that really worries me is that I feel the peace in NI is under threat. I don't think this got anywhere near the attention it deserved before the referendum.
Stormont is dissolved
Brexit is threating to create a hard boarder between NI and RoI, contrary to the Good Friday Agreement
The Tories are getting into bed with the DUP while the Westminster government is supposed to be neutral, again, could be contrary to the GFA

I voted leave because of the outrageous prolifigacy of the EU as an organisation and their rigidity when it came to national anxieties. Not because of immigration. Of course immigration is a worry to most people in a country with such severe housing, health and eduction needs, but as an overall positive contribution to the country is to be encouraged, but better managed.

So I was horrified with all this talk of hard Brexit and a commitment to leave the single market. We need to stay in the single market, accept a level of freedom of movement but negotiate and enforce some safeguards where a tiny minority of eu migrants abuse the system. For a significant payment into the eu budget the eu representatives would hopefully cut us some slack and allow a deal which allows us also to make other trade agreements. I want us to be a trading partner, not the whole superstate nonsense.

I'm not sorry I voted leave but wish there had been several 'options' given instead of this pig in a poke we've been landed with.

With a hung parliament (or tiny majority with the DUP) I just hope the soft Brexit route is taken and hope the Tory crash was a message that taking the most extreme Brexit route is not what everyone voted for. There are many people like me of the 52% who voted leave who are nearer the 48% who didn't, than extreme right wing racists like Farage.

Before the referendum I had hoped the result would be a very close win for Remain. Although I was happy with the EU (knowing it's not perfect) I didn't think it was any worse then the government set up and institutions we have nationally. I know I lot of people weren't happy though and I wanted their views taken seriously. I think a close vote would have shaken the EU and made it have a much closer look at reform knowing it could lose members if it didn't.

It's not really answering your question, but iirc the referendum had to be held by the end of 2017. I wonder what the last year and next 6 months would be like if it were to be held in say November 2017, and whether the mood or things had been different with David Cameron being PM for all this time instead of TM. Whether voters were more determined and vocal to leave the eu, or alternatively whether the mood to leave might have died down and abated.

I voted Leave. I don't think we should have had a referendum about it. If we were to have had the referendum then I think a majority percentage should have been written in for such a monumental change, or more options rather than Leave/Remain.

Every day OP. I agree with MotherO.
I voted Remain, was born and brought up in the UK, but live currently in continental Europe for work reasons. I was so proud to be a UK-born European.
I still feel a kind of grief about leaving, a physical pain which sounds melodramatic but that's how I feel.

I started to worry when I realized that Brexit is a nice catchy name, whereas Remain isn't so much, and even the BBC was calling it the "Brexit referendum" before we had voted. It was wrong to call the referendum by one of the possible outcomes. (I notice you don't call it that OP. )!

Every single day I wish it. I am still angry, sad and stunned that this is happening because of a spat within the Tory party.

Olympia and ThroughT, I agree with you both about needing more options. There are aspects of being in the EU which are a huge waste of money, but my heart wanted to stay in and try to right those issues.
fake, I am also worried about NI

fake and Cheesy, I couldn't agree more about Ireland/NI. No fucker seems to have thought about that before the referendum. Years and years of hard work to get to some kind of peace, and now it's all under threat again.

Idiots. Idiots. Idiots.

I get more angry every day, not less.

I'm guessing those who have said they wish it hadn't happened voted Remain? Apart from ThroughThickAndThin01, even though you voted Leave do you wish Remain had won?

Yes, every day.