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Westministenders: Brexit Britain = Gridlock Britain ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/03/2017 16:03

We keep getting told the Uk can get a deal like Canada, Turkey or other non-EU countries have, without FOM.
Those deals do not provide the same privileges as EU members:
They have quotas, restrictions and must obey EU regulations

e.g. After CETA, Ron Davidson, head of international trade for the Canadian Meat Council stated:
"We do not have what we would call commercially viable access to the European market".

The deal with Turkey abolished tariffs, but did not give free acess. This is what that means:

www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

"On a recent Saturday at the Kapikule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints.
"Today is a good day", said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours.
"Last week the line was 7km long".
The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side."

Of course, UK ports (and French ports) do not have the capacity, facilities, storage space or trained staff to handle customs processing of the vast amount of British exports & imports.

Building this additional capacity - where ? - would take several years and there are no signs that even the planning stage has started.

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SapphireStrange · 15/03/2017 11:50

What are your sources (other than Twitter) for the NICS U-turn? How interesting. How unfortunate for Hammond.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 11:51

Gove in?

Lalelou · 15/03/2017 11:52

How quickly they dance to Murdoch's tune
^yy Shock

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 11:52

bbc

unicornsIlovethem · 15/03/2017 11:53

Here's the Beeb:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39278968

HashiAsLarry · 15/03/2017 11:53

Gove in?
she better not fucking dare. I've got the rage bad enough as it is without knowing that complete dunce would be in charge of our economy

Cailleach1 · 15/03/2017 11:56

RTB, "Genuine Question: What HAS Davis done in the last nine months? Other than avoid asking questions and hire 300 people?"

Haven't Davis, Fox and Johnson been fighting the bigger battle about who gets to be the main boss of Chevening. Johnson won that round. They have been busy with the important things.

SapphireStrange · 15/03/2017 11:59

Thanks!

On this: How quickly they dance to Murdoch's tune, excuse my dimness but why? Were his papers against them? Why?

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 12:04

SapphireStrange
NI insurance rise played very badly last week in Murdoch press and Daily Mail.
But, have been faux outrage because Hammond is not fully paid up member of the 4th reich. ( Having got remainer blood in his family line)

unicornsIlovethem · 15/03/2017 12:05

The Daily Mail and the Sun were hugely opposed to the NIC rises. And now they're dropped.

drwitch · 15/03/2017 12:05

So I think it was a way of the press showing muscle - look what happens when you do something that we disagree with

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 12:05

I'm surprised they U-turned so quickly Shock. I thought it would be dropped in the autumn. Where's the social care budget going to come from now?

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 12:05

Thank you RedToothBrush Flowers

lalalonglegs · 15/03/2017 12:06

This from Faisal Islam

Budgets
2015: No 1 revenue raiser u-turn in 4 months
2016 No 1 revenue raiser u-turn in 4 days
2017: No 2 revenue raiser u-turn in a week

Can anyone see a pattern emerging/

Mistigri · 15/03/2017 12:10

So only sensible politician with ideas about how to pay for Brexit goes under the bus.

Meanwhile Davis's evidence session showed that the government has yet to get a clue, or that he is a massive liar, or both. I'd be interested to hear from a rational leaver (semi?) what they think of this. Doesnt it concern you that with an agreement needed in 18 months they haven't even costed up the alternatives yet?

SapphireStrange · 15/03/2017 12:14

Thanks everyone for educating me!

woman, of course May herself isn't exactly free of the taint of 'remainer', is she?

RedToothBrush · 15/03/2017 12:19

Big Thanks to Big Choc for this thread btw.

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Peregrina · 15/03/2017 12:29

woman, of course May herself isn't exactly free of the taint of 'remainer', is she?

I suppose that is why she is behaving as she is - the zeal of the convert.

woman12345 · 15/03/2017 12:30

Thanks BigChoc Cake (it's chocolate, I promise!)

Cailleach1 · 15/03/2017 13:17

'On this: How quickly they dance to Murdoch's tune, excuse my dimness but why? Were his papers against them? Why?'

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a lot of journo's may be in the self employed category.

unicornsIlovethem · 15/03/2017 13:33

The LRB article on May was interesting Peregrina. She appears to have a grim rigid duty to deliver what was promised wheras Dave, Gove etc would blithely promise and skip off into the sunset, forgetting about whatever it was they last said. Brexit is now her DUTY!

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