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Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2017 11:25

Theresa and Donald
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First come Brexit
Then comes the Ban
Then comes the
Removal of Human Rights
… Damn

(Shamelessly stolen from a protest sign)

A couple of weeks ago people were still asking why we were talking about Trump on a Brexit thread. I think the answer has made itself all together too apparent.

What is happening in the US is not going to stop. It’s not going to get any better any time soon. The situation is grave with suggestions there has been a coup. What happens next is not going to be pretty. American institutions are struggling. The rule of law has been undermined. We are not talking about a developing country. We are talking about the country which has stood for freedom and democracy.

Our leadership looks weak in the face of this. We look like we are not only appeasing but endorsing. For what? A trade deal that he could revoke in 30 days?

We have but one question. How many of our ‘British Values’ will have to be sacrifice for the special relationship?

Make no bones about this: Cosying up to Trump threatens our national security. It threatens our democracy. It ruins what little moral authority we have left. It threatens our ties with Europe who we DO still need to have a relationship even if we are outside the EU. This is not world leadership. This is appeasement. This is cowardly weak and downright desperate.

Let us also not forget ‘Good old Boris’ pretending to be Churchill and calling the EU Nazis and Hitler during the Referendum and on several occasions since. He has now had the bare faced audicity to stand in the House of Commons and call MPs out repeatedly for ‘trivalising the holocaust’ or for making comparisons with the 1930s when they saying they have been told this by survivors of the holocaust. It is SHAMEFUL. I also note how many times Johnson referred to Trump being democratically elected as if this makes all the difference and he can’t possibly be a dictator if elected.

Why do they want to use the parallel themselves and HATE it when its used for things they use? Fascists hate being pointed out as fascists.

What would happen if you put it to the public? You have a choice, The EU or Trump? What would they say. At its most basic this is what Brexit is now. You can not hide it or disguise it any longer.

Get used to this. Be prepared to protest, to keep challenging, to keep calling things as they are. Fatigue might set in, but we need to keep on. This is for the long haul.

Today the a50 Bill starts in parliament. It’s not looking good, as it looks like MPs will completely fail in their DUTY to hold the government to account and will not have the balls to add amendments to the bill.

If it passes without any, get worried. It is not just about the EU.

It never was.

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Badders123 · 01/02/2017 20:36

Any more info on how those who want to - 48% of those who voted - can keep their EU membership?
I resigned my membership of the Labour Party last year
Lib dems here I come....

boredofbrexit · 01/02/2017 20:37

erm...two of the lib dems abstained, thats 22% of the party. not so clean cut maybe.

boredofbrexit · 01/02/2017 20:38

bear yes i do but i suppose it comes naturally to others.

Headfullofdreams · 01/02/2017 20:40

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grumpypuss · 01/02/2017 20:42

"I'm going over to the Brexit Arms to get the champagne out." Tryingtosaveup funny that you don't mind consuming a FRENCH beverage Shock you might want to be careful though or else your drinking buddies will think you are a traitor!

Anyway, it's likely MPs will vote to stay in the single market. Freedom of movement therefore will continue Smile. With this is mind, don't forget to keep some Vodka, schnapps, akvavit, Pastis and Grappa handy, when the Europhiles storm the Brexit arms to celebrate the victory of the single market Wink.

HashiAsLarry · 01/02/2017 20:43

Maybe they've been right all along, maybe we did dumb our education down. Just it looks like it happened a long time before people started moaning about it.

This Government is significantly more dumb than the last one, which whilst more dumb than the one before hadn't quite taken such a significant leap.

Missswatch · 01/02/2017 20:43

might as well top off the day...tillerson confirmed
wine do cheer up

You can't hex the t-rex

woman12345 · 01/02/2017 20:44

Threat of global trade war rises as Japan joins Germany in condemnation of Donald Trump
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told parliament that it’s inaccurate to say that Japan is devaluing the yen, and that he would explain monetary policy to Trump if necessary
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/japan-germany-donald-trump-trade-war-threats-currency-exploitation-a7557451.html

AllTheLight · 01/02/2017 20:45

Belatedly place marking

woman12345 · 01/02/2017 20:45

EU would hit the UK with a bill likely to be up to €60bn
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-sir-ivan-rogers-committee-name-calling-and-fist-fighting-a7556841.html

woman12345 · 01/02/2017 20:48

Tory MP opposes domestic violence legislation because it 'relates only to female victims'
Philip Davies is on the Women and Equalities Committee
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-oppose-domestic-violence-legislation-his-name-british-women-female-victims-not-male-men-a7557136.html
Bojo's little friend has laws like this in his snowy wonderland.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/30/russia-decriminalise-domestic-violence-laws

Peregrina · 01/02/2017 20:55

The might well find that French Champagne is more expensive out of the Single Market. Oh well, that's what they want. Warm beer slightly off beer coming up for them.

As for "It's likely that they will vote to stay in the Single Market". F* knows what they will do.

SemiPermanent · 01/02/2017 20:59

Cheers all!!
🍻 🍻

Good news from HoC tonight - here's to the beginning of a beautiful journey into the future!!

rolandismyhero · 01/02/2017 21:03

Judging by the inane comments of leavers on this thread it's clear that the inmates are running the asylum.

Kaija · 01/02/2017 21:06

Bored, if you were posting that article as positive news you clearly didn't read it very far past the headline.

Peregrina · 01/02/2017 21:06

Maybe they've been right all along, maybe we did dumb our education down.
A lot of our MPs have supposedly had a good education - Public School and Grammar Schools, yet it doesn't stop them behaving like brainless fools.

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 01/02/2017 21:15

Oh dear, I remember when goading on Mumsnet was of a much higher quality. Even top notch goading is disappearing down the drain!

woman12345 · 01/02/2017 21:15

May's mate, may be detaining a 7year old with child with cancer according to this tweet trail.
Shelby Emerald
‏*@ShelbyEmerald*

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We have a team of volunteer attorneys at JFK to connect you. We need a Dr immediately. 7 year old sick detainee. #L4GG @lawyers4goodgov
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boredofbrexit · 01/02/2017 21:19

more fake news

SemiPermanent · 01/02/2017 21:19

Oh dear, I remember when goading on Mumsnet was of a much higher quality. Even top notch goading is disappearing down the drain!

I know Bunty!

It used to be so much more nuanced & witty - now it's just calling people fuckwits & idiots.

Sorry state of affairs.

SomeonesRealName · 01/02/2017 21:25

"Lib dems here I come...."

My Lib Dem MP from an area that voted remain abstained from the vote. I'd rather he'd voted in favour and actually taken some responsibility.

BuntyFigglesworthSpiffington · 01/02/2017 21:29

Not wanting to split hairs or anything but I don't think that's intended as actual goading. The people who described others as being stupid and being fuckwits are stating an opinion. Maybe not an opinion you like but I'm sure there's similar on your thread!

missmoon · 01/02/2017 21:31

Regarding the Lib Dem abstentions, as I understand it both the Lib Dem MPs who abstained are in favour of staying in the single market, and of a final referendum on the terms of the Brexit deal (including an option to Remain). All the Lib Dem MPs are opposed to a hard Brexit.

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