Theresa and Donald
Sitting in a tree
K-I-S-S-I-N-G
First come Brexit
Then comes the Ban
Then comes the
Removal of Human Rights
… Damn
(Shamelessly stolen from a protest sign)
A couple of weeks ago people were still asking why we were talking about Trump on a Brexit thread. I think the answer has made itself all together too apparent.
What is happening in the US is not going to stop. It’s not going to get any better any time soon. The situation is grave with suggestions there has been a coup. What happens next is not going to be pretty. American institutions are struggling. The rule of law has been undermined. We are not talking about a developing country. We are talking about the country which has stood for freedom and democracy.
Our leadership looks weak in the face of this. We look like we are not only appeasing but endorsing. For what? A trade deal that he could revoke in 30 days?
We have but one question. How many of our ‘British Values’ will have to be sacrifice for the special relationship?
Make no bones about this: Cosying up to Trump threatens our national security. It threatens our democracy. It ruins what little moral authority we have left. It threatens our ties with Europe who we DO still need to have a relationship even if we are outside the EU. This is not world leadership. This is appeasement. This is cowardly weak and downright desperate.
Let us also not forget ‘Good old Boris’ pretending to be Churchill and calling the EU Nazis and Hitler during the Referendum and on several occasions since. He has now had the bare faced audicity to stand in the House of Commons and call MPs out repeatedly for ‘trivalising the holocaust’ or for making comparisons with the 1930s when they saying they have been told this by survivors of the holocaust. It is SHAMEFUL. I also note how many times Johnson referred to Trump being democratically elected as if this makes all the difference and he can’t possibly be a dictator if elected.
Why do they want to use the parallel themselves and HATE it when its used for things they use? Fascists hate being pointed out as fascists.
What would happen if you put it to the public? You have a choice, The EU or Trump? What would they say. At its most basic this is what Brexit is now. You can not hide it or disguise it any longer.
Get used to this. Be prepared to protest, to keep challenging, to keep calling things as they are. Fatigue might set in, but we need to keep on. This is for the long haul.
Today the a50 Bill starts in parliament. It’s not looking good, as it looks like MPs will completely fail in their DUTY to hold the government to account and will not have the balls to add amendments to the bill.
If it passes without any, get worried. It is not just about the EU.
It never was.
Brexit
Westministenders: Johnson defends his President whilst we try to defend Britain
RedToothBrush · 31/01/2017 11:25
Absolutely astonishing Rotherham results 
Many pissed off voters
I've thought for months that Labour have chosen the worst possible strategy:
fighting the Tories and UKIP for the 52% while letting the LDs fight unopposed for the 48%.
at the same time repelling Leave and uncommited voters by their chaotic incompetence.
If Brexit goes badly wrong, Labour needn't expect to reap the benefit when they are complicit - many voters would probably just stick with the Tories, or switch to the Liberals - who kept warning if the dangers
Also, some of us will never forgive Labour for not fighting hard against the far right and the hard right.
So many Labour supporters too are excusing & minimising UKIP and Trump - friends & associates of those supporters may tell them to fuck off if they come round after a crash trying to drum up Labour support.
....and despite that, Trump's telephone call with the Australian Prime Minister was a disaster didn't go well 
How was it the BBC described it, "The world is having to get used to Trump's version of 'diplomacy' " or something like that?
I can understand why the Doomsday Clock has moved closer to midnight 
Of course higher rate taxpayers have no more right to vote than anyone else - it's a ridiculous martydom windup to claim any poster here was advocating that
(though a few very rightwing conservatives in the Uk & US have whispered over the years about excluding welfare claimants or illiterates) 
The poor always suffer the most when the economy tanks
Money buys more choices for the well off:
. They can cut back a bit on luxuries, whereas those on low wages or benefits have no luxuries left to cut, just essentials.
. They are far less affected if the govt has to chooses to cuts back on the benefit cuts and the nhs
. They are more likely to be able to keep their job / find another
. They are more likely to be able to move abroad
Those on benefits probably can't choose to emigrate if their benefits are cut - well they can, but it's not a threat the govt cares about
. They take their skills and their assets with them; they take their purchasing power & the associated service jobs out of the economy
==> So governments - especially Tories - protect the interests of higher rate taxpayers.
The costs of Brexit will be paid by those who are least able to afford to do so
Looking at that picture of the Swedish Deputy PM: not only is she surrounded by women but one of them is very obviously pregnant 
no interest whatsoever in specifics / planning ... He really does just fly on charm and wheeler dealering.
Replace the word 'charm' with the word 'bullying' and I suspect you have an accurate description of Trump.
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Love the 404 message
I also agree about throwing everything into one basket re LDs and also about there not really being another basket. So in the absence of other baskets I'm throwing something into the LD one.
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