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Coming Clean by Liz Fraser

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RhinoRhino · 25/06/2023 12:13

A couple of threads that I had posted on relating to the Memoir ‘Coming Clean’ by Liz Fraser have been deleted from the MN site, apparently due to non-compliance of the MN guidelines from the posters. MN are obviously well within their rights to delete threads if they demonstrably fail to comply with their guidelines, nevertheless I feel strongly that MN posters are given a platform to critique this book, and also any other public ventures by this author. It would be neither fair nor right that posters are completely silenced in this particular matter.

As such, and in line with Mumsnet not seeing “anything wrong with honest feedback” I would like to make the comment that Coming Clean as a Memoir falls short due to the shaky and not entirely truthful narrative. There are certain facts contained within this memoir that are easily disprovable (for example, relating to the marital status of both author and her partner when they started their ill-fated affair), which leaves a massive question mark over the rest of the book. Is it entirely reasonable to make money from something that is promoted as truthful when it is, in fact, not entirely true?

I think there are people whose lives have been negatively impacted by the book and its subject matter, and I hope that MN will agree that these people should have a voice, as should anybody who wants to comment on a published piece of work.

As long as posters align their comments with the MN guidelines, this is a topic that people may wish to keep discussing, and also keep in the public domain. And if MN wants to provide a set of rules particular to this thread – certainly if they are arbitrary and differ from the general guidelines - I am sure it would be very helpful.

Mumsnet, please help us to help each other by keeping in the public domain something that us silenced mums feel should be out there.

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CambridgeBuns · 02/08/2023 17:29

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 02/08/2023 17:25

Why is Scout being pushed around in a pushchair?! She's at school for goodness sake. That's mortifying. Why is Liz's run more important that Scout's comfort & dignity?

Perhaps the bike S rides so well has a puncture? “Blooming child is so slow. Must be her dad’s fault.”

LolaKent14 · 02/08/2023 18:21

Can’t believe the posts to date. There are so many that’s it hard to keep up. And now a brand new career - influencer, PR communications guru. Even dressed in those dirty old plimsolls! I mean it’s Italy, Venice. Surely your look is so important there if you are representing a brand. And you’d think they already have all
this in place, I mean they’ve managed to do quite well to date.
I really feel sorry for S. she could be in the UK enjoying her summer holiday playing with friends and having a nice time with her Dad. But no she is being pushed in a buggy that surely she can’t possibly be comfortable in because she’s too slow on her bike for the daily grind/ run.
someone said earlier they needed a lie down I’m off to get a glass of wine. My mind is blown today.

Heatherfell · 02/08/2023 19:48

LolaKent14 · 02/08/2023 18:21

Can’t believe the posts to date. There are so many that’s it hard to keep up. And now a brand new career - influencer, PR communications guru. Even dressed in those dirty old plimsolls! I mean it’s Italy, Venice. Surely your look is so important there if you are representing a brand. And you’d think they already have all
this in place, I mean they’ve managed to do quite well to date.
I really feel sorry for S. she could be in the UK enjoying her summer holiday playing with friends and having a nice time with her Dad. But no she is being pushed in a buggy that surely she can’t possibly be comfortable in because she’s too slow on her bike for the daily grind/ run.
someone said earlier they needed a lie down I’m off to get a glass of wine. My mind is blown today.

Can you believe it? No I cannot 🤣 The best of the best dream of working for these hotels and then here comes Liz, with zero experience and having not worked for years and guess what? She lands not one, but three jobs in as many days! I mean, seriously?😄

Tortiemiaw · 02/08/2023 20:03

But she's a TRAVEL CONSULTANT and she's HAPPY and READY TO LIVE HER BEST LIFE.

Goodness me, what more do they want?!

Raffington55 · 02/08/2023 20:46

I think it's abuse to treat her child like a baby one minute - when she wants to go for a run she shoves Scout into a pushchair (she's 6) - and like an adult the next - making the poor little girl take photographs of her mother (eg bikini shots) 24/7. Scout is basically shoved into Liz's self-serving agenda no matter how uncomfortable it is for the poor girl. This is an abusive way to treat a child, entirely inappropriate and shockingly selfish. But she put herself before her other kids, didn't she? Why should anyone be remotely surprised? I think the Scout the baby/Scout the photographer situation is utterly shocking and should be brought to people's attention.

Burgundybrin · 03/08/2023 00:08

From the Thule website:
"All Thule jogging strollers are made to be flexible and allow for growing kids to start using as early as 6 months of age and up to 4 years old with a maximum weight capacity of 49 lbs. / 22 kg per child."

Umbrellaisback · 03/08/2023 09:15

It’s now 30kg to push apparently.

Jeez can the woman not sneeze without posting sixty times to say how LIBERATING it is?

Shortbread49 · 03/08/2023 09:18

I don’t think a Venice retreat with her there would be very relaxing you would spend a lot of time listening to her and she would want to take lots of photos with you in for Instagram

LolaKent14 · 03/08/2023 09:26

Delighted to see our tips being used and S had a nice morning on her bike.

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2023 13:29

Shortbread49 · 03/08/2023 09:18

I don’t think a Venice retreat with her there would be very relaxing you would spend a lot of time listening to her and she would want to take lots of photos with you in for Instagram

I don't think the retreat is supposed to be relaxing - Liz wants you to go on long and fast runs with her. And she'll talk lots. Probably people who are star struck by her.

And I'm pretty sure Scout is only 5, not 6.

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 14:31

@LynetteScavo no, she would want OTHERS to take lots of photos of HER for Instagram. Forward them to her so she could vet and filter them - and then she would put them on social media if she deemed them suitable enough for her fake narrative.

CambridgeBuns · 03/08/2023 16:10

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 14:31

@LynetteScavo no, she would want OTHERS to take lots of photos of HER for Instagram. Forward them to her so she could vet and filter them - and then she would put them on social media if she deemed them suitable enough for her fake narrative.

Once upon a time, they were writing retreats, but now they’ve turned into sprint races! Can you imagine the list of rules to adhere to? Just thinking about it stresses and exhausts me! I imagine these being anything but a holistic experience. You’ll turn up and find an excuse felt ripped and pinned to the front door saying “The retreat is off. The trolls done it!”

CambridgeBuns · 03/08/2023 16:14

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2023 13:29

I don't think the retreat is supposed to be relaxing - Liz wants you to go on long and fast runs with her. And she'll talk lots. Probably people who are star struck by her.

And I'm pretty sure Scout is only 5, not 6.

Rising 6. I haven’t hacked her files. She posts every year on the day. Last year’s post is etched in my brain because trolls were suggesting the child should be in school, but she was not yet 5, the legal age for school attendance, ignoring the fact that she might like to go!

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2023 18:22

No one needs to hack her files- Liz repeats herself A LOT. I'm not the brightest, and I have a far from photographic memory, but even I know off the top of my head the month her youngest child was born, and could probably get a birthday card delivered to her home address on her exact birthday simply by going far enough back through social media.

Are you reading this Liz and taking onboard what the "ABUSERS" are pointing out?

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 20:10

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2023 18:22

No one needs to hack her files- Liz repeats herself A LOT. I'm not the brightest, and I have a far from photographic memory, but even I know off the top of my head the month her youngest child was born, and could probably get a birthday card delivered to her home address on her exact birthday simply by going far enough back through social media.

Are you reading this Liz and taking onboard what the "ABUSERS" are pointing out?

Don't say you're not the brightest. I'm sure you are.

Be more Liz!

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 20:24

Oh god, that picture in the hat is ghastly.

So, Liz says it is her 'calling' to make the world a better place. Saint Liz 🤣🤣

LibertyLily · 03/08/2023 20:33

I'm not sure whether to piss myself laughing at the sheer mountain of ludicrous guff she's posted on insta over the past week in Venice....sorry, VENEZIA! Or cringe at what poor little Scout has been put through.....

Hopefully S will have a more normal time back in England with her dad and his new family, whilst Saint Liz of the Hideous Hat(s) gets on with all her new found 'employment'....ha ha!

Roomonthedustpan · 03/08/2023 21:30

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 20:24

Oh god, that picture in the hat is ghastly.

So, Liz says it is her 'calling' to make the world a better place. Saint Liz 🤣🤣

Ghastly! Fabulous word!!!

Roomonthedustpan · 03/08/2023 21:31

LynetteScavo · 03/08/2023 18:22

No one needs to hack her files- Liz repeats herself A LOT. I'm not the brightest, and I have a far from photographic memory, but even I know off the top of my head the month her youngest child was born, and could probably get a birthday card delivered to her home address on her exact birthday simply by going far enough back through social media.

Are you reading this Liz and taking onboard what the "ABUSERS" are pointing out?

It’s in the same month that L told us the name of S’s school by revealing the xxxx display details 😂

Roomonthedustpan · 03/08/2023 21:34

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 20:24

Oh god, that picture in the hat is ghastly.

So, Liz says it is her 'calling' to make the world a better place. Saint Liz 🤣🤣

When S snapped L as she woke up WEARING THAT HAT!!! It somehow looked better. Which gets your vote? Bed hat with bed hair or beach hat with beach hair?

😅

Notsolong · 03/08/2023 21:36

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 20:24

Oh god, that picture in the hat is ghastly.

So, Liz says it is her 'calling' to make the world a better place. Saint Liz 🤣🤣

But don’t cha just feel better for her posting her story for you little lady? She hopes ya do!

Raffington55 · 03/08/2023 21:47

By the way, Liz wants us all to know for the 36,000th time this week that she has Never. Been. Happier.

Tortiemiaw · 03/08/2023 21:59

Isn't it wonderful!! All these happy, happy pictures and reminders of how wealthy she is must be doing wonders for the abused and SILENCED women she's worked so hard for over the years. It's such an original way to do good.

SundayNight · 03/08/2023 23:11

What do we think? Will she officially close Edgeways Press and return the paper samples or will she just pretend it never happened a la Headcase and multiple other projects? Will her staff member receive redundancy pay or be grateful for the experience she’s gai….. oh.

RhinoRhino · 04/08/2023 08:41

Remember the previous ‘dream job’? There was a lot of hoo-hah and preamble and glee and excitement about something she couldn’t tell us yet. And then …… ta-da! It was the NCDV Ambassadorship thing. Not sure how Ms Fraser defines the word ‘job’, because she made clear this one doesn’t involve any payment, (not least because it doesn’t appear to involve any work). Interesting. I’m thinking it was never an actual job. Happy to be contradicted on this.

Then we had the dream publishing company. The only realities involved thus far are incorporation, paper choice and a launch party. Oh, and some peevish carping on SM about people expecting her to DO something. The rest is dreams of white covers, unsilenced women, Virginia Woolf, old-fashioned printing presses, lovely rooms above bookshops and worship and cyber-admiration from the lonely (yet always supportive) Ade et al.

And now we have three new ‘dream jobs’. Will they involve work? Will they involve payment? Will Liz manage to meet her contractual obligations on time and to budget? Will there even be any contractual obligations, or do dream jobs have no legal frameworks within which one agrees to operate? Will anything ever happen?

And most importantly ……….

Will the excitement never end?

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