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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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Remmy123 · 15/02/2021 11:02

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation the majority of the population do not use a fresh mask each time they visit a shop

Most masks used by people are not sufficient to do anything

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:03

@chocolateisavegetable

I'd rather not engage with you

You really don't seem to have much of an issue engaging with others.

That is such a silly thing to say. Not everyone has made the same remarks as that poster.
chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 11:03

She you claim to know what is being said on all the other threads. I really don't know how you have the time to read them; you're on this one the whole time.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:04

@noblegiraffe

Ah well your choice. You have been dismissive and patronizing in your opening post yourself so I guess it's hard facing the same you inflict on others.

I’m not sure you’ve even read it. You certainly haven’t understood it.

Why do you insist on repeating this when I'm definitely not the only poster on this thread who found your opening post dismissive and patronizing? Confused
chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 11:05

You don't like much of what noble has said but you're happy to keep engaging with her, so I find it interesting that you choose not to engage with others.

gallbladderpain · 15/02/2021 11:05

I'm not sure about any other school but prior to the 'all back as normal' in September, our school had a fully comprehensive plan in place for rotas, which had been arranged around family circumstanes, siblings etc and in a large school with 1000 pupils so it would seem they put a lot of thought into it.
It would have reduced class sizes by half and allowed for social distancing amongst the older pupils at individual desks when the teaching is mainly all desk based anyhow and it reduced the bubble size for mixing among the younger pupils.
They had staggered start and finish times in place for all year groups as well.
It all seemed very sensible and then the government decided to return all schools as normal and led to chaos. Appreciate not every area seems to have experienced that but it was constant classes and year groups out for 2 weeks at a time and in some cases they were barely back 2 weeks until they were out again !

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:06

@EnemyOfEducationNo1

Shehz - if you are responsible for H&S have you thought that maybe just asking if heads will not officially punish teachers who choose to wear masks is not enough?
I understand. And will be working on this.
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:07

I'm definitely not the only poster on this thread who found your opening post dismissive and patronizing?

I could say ‘nice day today’ and some posters would leap in to take issue. Your entrance to this thread demonstrated you weren’t here for a serious discussion but merely to join them.

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:07

@chocolateisavegetable

She you claim to know what is being said on all the other threads. I really don't know how you have the time to read them; you're on this one the whole time.
This is actually hilarious 🤣
chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 11:08

I could say ‘nice day today’ and some posters would leap in to take issue

Especially if you were sitting on a chair when you said it

EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 11:09

Shehz, thank you.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:09

@chocolateisavegetable

You don't like much of what noble has said but you're happy to keep engaging with her, so I find it interesting that you choose not to engage with others.
Sorry choc, what can I say, she’s here for me.

What’s the opposite of fangirl?

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:10

@noblegiraffe

I'm definitely not the only poster on this thread who found your opening post dismissive and patronizing?

I could say ‘nice day today’ and some posters would leap in to take issue. Your entrance to this thread demonstrated you weren’t here for a serious discussion but merely to join them.

Tbf like I mentioned upthread, your reputation precedes you for sure as I had never heard of your username before until one of the threads I'm usually on mentioned you and everyone said not to sound the klaxon Grin. It was actually funny. But I apologise if you felt that way. I was actually genuinely asking for your suggestions last night.
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:11

I was actually genuinely asking for your suggestions last night

I’ve given them to another poster who doesn’t think I’m ‘deranged’.

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:13

@noblegiraffe

I was actually genuinely asking for your suggestions last night

I’ve given them to another poster who doesn’t think I’m ‘deranged’.

Brilliant! And I'm not here for you. However I won't lie I was deeply intrigued by who you were Grin.
CallmeAngelina · 15/02/2021 11:19

"one of the threads I'm usually on mentioned you and everyone said not to sound the klaxon"

I think you might find that you were conversing with U4T bots.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:20

your reputation precedes you for sure as I had never heard of your username before

So you came onto my thread to tell me (in a now deleted post) that people were slagging me off on another thread, that you wouldn’t want me teaching your children and then proceeded to incorrectly tell me what I think.

You then popped over to the other thread to tell everyone that I’m deranged.

But you’re not here for me.

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Staffdontblowitnow · 15/02/2021 11:24

I think @noblegiraffe has a stalker. This is getting creepy

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:25

@noblegiraffe

your reputation precedes you for sure as I had never heard of your username before

So you came onto my thread to tell me (in a now deleted post) that people were slagging me off on another thread, that you wouldn’t want me teaching your children and then proceeded to incorrectly tell me what I think.

You then popped over to the other thread to tell everyone that I’m deranged.

But you’re not here for me.

Okay you are just proving my point now Grin

I think instead of harvesting bitterness over a stranger on MN, let's just get back to work.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:25

@Staffdontblowitnow

I think *@noblegiraffe* has a stalker. This is getting creepy
Oh nooo Halo
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:26

@Staffdontblowitnow

I think *@noblegiraffe* has a stalker. This is getting creepy
I'd argue that Noblegiraffe is the one stalking me on the other thread but sure. Grin
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:27

@Staffdontblowitnow

I think *@noblegiraffe* has a stalker. This is getting creepy
Who is now desperately trying to appear like a genuine poster interested in discussion.
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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:29

Obviously I wouldn't be interested in a discussion anymore as you are more interested in stalking me on another thread than post your suggestions when asked.
But one poster did point me towards something and I did say I understand and would work on it.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:29

Noblegiraffe is the one stalking me on the other thread

You came on this thread and told me that I was the subject of unpleasant discussion on another thread. And you referred to it again this morning. Why would you do that if you didn’t want me to look?

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CallmeAngelina · 15/02/2021 11:30

@Shehz21:
"In the classrooms as well without backlash."
"My job is one that consists of visiting various schools in the area."
"My job has been ongoing throughout the pandemic despite not being able to physically visit schools."

Herc/EnemyofEducation: "Aha! So you haven't actually physically visited schools..."

Shehz21: "Oh great here we go" 🙄

You deliberately posted to give the impression that you are there in classrooms currently, seeing with your own eyes that teachers are wearing masks and that therefore teachers on MN must be lying when they say they're not allowed, and then flounce with a teen-type, "whatever" roll of the eyes when picked up on it.

Forgive me if I can't take anything you post seriously from now on.

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