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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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MrsHamlet · 14/02/2021 12:28

Noble doesn’t want to teach kids that she is paid to teach. She’s one of those teachers that doesn’t want to do the job she’s paid for under the guise of keeping safe. I expect she actually from the NEU itself and uses Mumsnet to whip up her hysteria and agree that kids should never go back.
This is nonsense. Noble has consistently been clear that she wants to be a safe school - that really should be what everyone wants. Because safe means safe for everyone in the school community.

Atalune · 14/02/2021 12:28

Large local secondary. Not one instance of closing due to Covid. Not one. Of the 5 local primaries. One bubble closed once.

If people obey the other lockdown rules then I don’t see why schools can’t open.

I have still to know a single person who has tested positive for covid. Plenty of “my mums friend Natalie” but no one I know.

Small market town. People are in he main following the guidelines.

Schools should open. We can’t keep lockdown going on and on. We need to follow other successful countries approaches. Not this cronyism corrupt crap shower of shitbags.

Vive le revolution!

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 12:30

Noble doesn’t want to teach kids that she is paid to teach. She’s one of those teachers that doesn’t want to do the job she’s paid for under the guise of keeping safe. I expect she actually from the NEU itself and uses Mumsnet to whip up her hysteria and agree that kids should never go back.

Noble has advocated for a safe return since March. She wants schools open and also safe. The conditions from Sept-Dec are not safe, the figures show that.

DuchessofHastings1 · 14/02/2021 12:30

Sorry, to clarify, are you saying people who are anti lockdown are using their children's mental health to re open schools? Cos everything else is open after it?

So parents aren't actually worried about their children sat in there bedrooms on their own with no social interaction, or trying to juggle home schooling while some are still working? This is all a ploy to get the schools back open as if they open first then the pubs and restaurants open?

I'm actually speechless.

FrippEnos · 14/02/2021 12:31

Redbrickwall
Noble doesn’t want to teach kids that she is paid to teach.

still pushing lies about Noble.

What ever floats your boat.

Redbrickwall · 14/02/2021 12:31

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:31

I'm extremely genuinely concerned re the mental well-being of children as are many of the health professionals I know, plus some teachers but we're always silenced on the matter.

Lots of children's mental health professionals are pleading with people to stop this damaging 'children will never recover' messaging.

I assume you would like more funding for mental health services too.

So we should be on the same side here.

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LivinLaVidaLoki · 14/02/2021 12:31

Given that almost 15 million of the most vulnerable have now been vaccinated and the seasonality of covid, why does everyone seem to think we are in the same situation as we were in September and October last year, that letting children go back will put us right back where we started?

Redbrickwall · 14/02/2021 12:32

@DuchessofHastings1

Sorry, to clarify, are you saying people who are anti lockdown are using their children's mental health to re open schools? Cos everything else is open after it?

So parents aren't actually worried about their children sat in there bedrooms on their own with no social interaction, or trying to juggle home schooling while some are still working? This is all a ploy to get the schools back open as if they open first then the pubs and restaurants open?

I'm actually speechless.

Me too. Only on Mumsnet. This isn’t really life. I’m a teacher and a mother and I am so so excited about 8th March
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 12:32

Atalune

You are lucky, that's what it boils down to, luck.

My child has isolated 4 times now since September. My secondary school had groups in and out like a yoyo last term. We've got staff who ended up in hospital, staff with long covid, and approx 80 students who tested positive (there will have been more students with covid,parents were reluctant to test in some cases).

faerin · 14/02/2021 12:33

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Redbrickwall · 14/02/2021 12:33

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Given that almost 15 million of the most vulnerable have now been vaccinated and the seasonality of covid, why does everyone seem to think we are in the same situation as we were in September and October last year, that letting children go back will put us right back where we started?
Because they like to use the word ‘safe’ and use children for political agenda. They are an absolute disgrace to the profession and thank god don’t represent the normal teacher. My teaching WhatsApp groups this morning have been full of excitement that we are getting our classes back
bumbleymummy · 14/02/2021 12:34

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Given that almost 15 million of the most vulnerable have now been vaccinated and the seasonality of covid, why does everyone seem to think we are in the same situation as we were in September and October last year, that letting children go back will put us right back where we started?
And that hundreds of thousands of people have now had it and have immunity.
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 12:34

Teachers are also the only profession that has snow days

Are they fuck? Vaccination centres shut, buses didn't run, bin lorries didn't collect....

Otoh I delivered a full remote TT from home.

pursuedbyablackdog · 14/02/2021 12:34

It's a shit situation all round. I really need my kids to go back to school. I really want the teachers to be safe. At the moment that's not a compatible narrative.
Despite being desperate for my DC to return for school, I'm not okay of schools returning until it's as safe as possible. Teachers have been treated so appalingly throughout this year. (I'm not a teacher) but by Godsbeard I admire them.

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 12:34

@DuchessofHastings1

Sorry, to clarify, are you saying people who are anti lockdown are using their children's mental health to re open schools? Cos everything else is open after it?

So parents aren't actually worried about their children sat in there bedrooms on their own with no social interaction, or trying to juggle home schooling while some are still working? This is all a ploy to get the schools back open as if they open first then the pubs and restaurants open?

I'm actually speechless.

Not parents, no. It's not about parents. Teachers and parents want schools open sensibly and as safely as possible as they are the ones they get the fall out. It's the newspapers/CRG/U4T etc who are going apoplectic at the scientists at the moment for their words of caution.
HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 14/02/2021 12:35

How out of touch with reality do you have to be to reduce the genuine crisis from lockdowns down to "faux concern"?

How out of touch with reality do you have to be to not realise the MH crisis was a problem years before lockdown? CAHMS funding is a joke.

InterfectoremVulpes · 14/02/2021 12:37

Oh look another goady post by noble giraffe

faerin · 14/02/2021 12:37

@noblegiraffe

I'm extremely genuinely concerned re the mental well-being of children as are many of the health professionals I know, plus some teachers but we're always silenced on the matter.

Lots of children's mental health professionals are pleading with people to stop this damaging 'children will never recover' messaging.

I assume you would like more funding for mental health services too.

So we should be on the same side here.

Yes. Because it's "messages" that are really damaging, aren't they?

Lack of education? Lack of socialization? Lack of access to safe-guarding from domestic abuse? Witnessing your parents have crisis due to job loss, overwork, strain of having to parent like you don't have a job, and work like you're not a parent? These things cannot possibly cause a crisis of any sort.

FrippEnos · 14/02/2021 12:37

HesterShaw1

And yet its true.

I have every respect for parents that are going through this

Where were all these political groups that care about about children's mental health when the the government were

Reducing money to Camhs.
Redefining the meaning of SEND so that they could reduce funds.
Removing schools funds for inclusion/SEND departments
Removing SENDCOs due to cost.
Reducing the amount of Statements and replacing them with even harder to get ECHPs.
Removing statements from children because they didn't fit the new descriptions.
When teachers and health care professionals where stating that the pressure on children in schools was detrimental to the mental health and well being of pupils.
and so much more.

And what do you expect to happen when the pupils go back, with the longer hours and shorter holidays and no increase in funding for SEND or mental health.

Monkeytennis97 · 14/02/2021 12:38

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Given that almost 15 million of the most vulnerable have now been vaccinated and the seasonality of covid, why does everyone seem to think we are in the same situation as we were in September and October last year, that letting children go back will put us right back where we started?
Because for one thing 50 million plus haven't been vaccinated.
DuchessofHastings1 · 14/02/2021 12:38

Not parents, no. It's not about parents. Teachers and parents want schools open sensibly and as safely as possible as they are the ones they get the fall out. It's the newspapers/CRG/U4T etc who are going apoplectic at the scientists at the moment for their words of caution.

At what is 'safe' though? Cases are going down, we have a vaccine. It has just been published teachers now are getting priority over the over 50s.

AfternoonToffee · 14/02/2021 12:38

Don't even start me on the shit show that is children's support services, it was shit this time last year (still waiting for a reply to my complaint from the NHS) and it is even shittier now.

Mine is not fecking faux concern, mine is ever fecking day of this shit life we are currently locked into.

It's one thing navigating support services as a teacher, it is a whole different thing living it ever minute of every day.

noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:38

@DuchessofHastings1

Sorry, to clarify, are you saying people who are anti lockdown are using their children's mental health to re open schools? Cos everything else is open after it?

So parents aren't actually worried about their children sat in there bedrooms on their own with no social interaction, or trying to juggle home schooling while some are still working? This is all a ploy to get the schools back open as if they open first then the pubs and restaurants open?

I'm actually speechless.

No, you have totally misunderstood my post. Not the first time.

There are people who are anti-lockdown who are using children to argue for the earliest re-opening of schools possible, because schools have to open before anything else can open.

They are amping up the messaging about how dire things are for kids in an unhelpful way.

This is not about parents worried about their kids. I'm a parent worried about my kid. I'd like schools back in a sensible and safe manner and I want to stop reading about how their lives are being totally and irrevocably destroyed by being out of school spouted by people who will instantly fall silent about kids the minute schools are back.

The ones who didn't say anything about the impact on kids' mental health about having to isolate repeatedly between Sept and Dec. The ones who were silent about the impact on kids' mental health of cancelling exams with no plan on how to replace them (still not out). The ones silent on the impact of kids' mental health about going back to school for one day.

The ones who don't actually give a shit about kids unless they can use them in an argument about lifting lockdown.

Those ones can fuck right off.

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faerin · 14/02/2021 12:39

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation

How out of touch with reality do you have to be to reduce the genuine crisis from lockdowns down to "faux concern"?

How out of touch with reality do you have to be to not realise the MH crisis was a problem years before lockdown? CAHMS funding is a joke.

Nobody made any kind of assertion that it wasn't already in crisis.

Who can possibly make the argument that lockdown hasn't massively exacerbated pre-existing issues?