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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 11:30

I know that its the daily mail but when an academy boss steps up to say its a bad idea to just open up fully,

People should really take notice.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9261495/How-reopen-schools-Academies-boss-says-government-vaccinate-staff.html

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:31

@noblegiraffe

Noblegiraffe is the one stalking me on the other thread

You came on this thread and told me that I was the subject of unpleasant discussion on another thread. And you referred to it again this morning. Why would you do that if you didn’t want me to look?

All that to say to you that your reputation precedes you and it was a funny instance and I was interested when I saw your name in the OP of a thread I clicked on. If you didn't notice I also apologised and asked again about suggestions but you seem hell bent on just harvesting the bitterness.
SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 11:31

Not everyone has made the same remarks as that poster

Which remarks?

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:32

[quote CallmeAngelina]@Shehz21:
"In the classrooms as well without backlash."
"My job is one that consists of visiting various schools in the area."
"My job has been ongoing throughout the pandemic despite not being able to physically visit schools."

Herc/EnemyofEducation: "Aha! So you haven't actually physically visited schools..."

Shehz21: "Oh great here we go" 🙄

You deliberately posted to give the impression that you are there in classrooms currently, seeing with your own eyes that teachers are wearing masks and that therefore teachers on MN must be lying when they say they're not allowed, and then flounce with a teen-type, "whatever" roll of the eyes when picked up on it.

Forgive me if I can't take anything you post seriously from now on.[/quote]
I actually couldn't give two hoots about what you think. I actually never said I think teachers are lying about that, I said it baffles me that they are being enforced not to wear a mask and I am against that. Why twist my statement?

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:34

If you didn't notice I also apologised

For calling me deranged, slagging me off on other threads, and for saying you wouldn’t want me teaching your kids?

Must have missed it.

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:36

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SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 11:37

Yeah he’s in charge of my MAT Fripp. Given what Oasis are involved in more widely (housing, childhood poverty etc) that he is saying that is definitely worth listening to.

HipTightOnions · 15/02/2021 11:38

I said it baffles me that they are being enforced not to wear a mask

You are working in some kind of school H&S role and you haven’t read the DfE guidance?

FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 11:38

Shehz21

After all you have said on this thread and you play the victim.

Wow.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:39

But instead of putting forward suggestions, you just want to act petty.

I’ve put them forward.

And if we’re above ‘acting petty’, how about you respond to Smile’s question?

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:41

@HipTightOnions

I said it baffles me that they are being enforced not to wear a mask

You are working in some kind of school H&S role and you haven’t read the DfE guidance?

AGAIN regardless of the guidance, many schools heads have promised not to punish if those who want to wear masks could go ahead and do so. And I've seen it many times on this thread and other school threads that teachers were wearing masks. I incorrectly assumed that heads were being supportive of mask wearing in general. This thread has been the first where I have noticed the discrepancy and one poster did point out to me that the promise to punish is not enough. And I have agreed and said that will work on it.
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:42

@FrippEnos

Shehz21

After all you have said on this thread and you play the victim.

Wow.

Playing the victim? Okay.
rookiemere · 15/02/2021 11:42

Thanks @noblegiraffe for your response on how you think schools going back should ideally plan out. I would link if I could as it seems utterly sensible and not much different from my own thoughts, although I suspect we're both coming to the question from different angles.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:43

@noblegiraffe

But instead of putting forward suggestions, you just want to act petty.

I’ve put them forward.

And if we’re above ‘acting petty’, how about you respond to Smile’s question?

Not to me. Your reponse was "I have put it forward to another poster".
OliveTree75 · 15/02/2021 11:46

This is exactly why so many posters don't engage on these threads. The absolute pile on you get from the OP and her mates for having an opposite opinion!

TryingNotToPanicOverCovid · 15/02/2021 11:46

I have a lot of time for Steve Chalk. His background is in working for poverty/children/social justice and he is definitely worth listening to.

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 11:50

Me too Trying - he’s got a wide view that is anchored in what is best for community, and children in particular.

Orangeblossom1977 · 15/02/2021 11:50

Well, The Times are saying to go cautiously today

"The Times view on Tory MPs and lifting lockdown: Recovery Risks
Members of the ‘Covid Recovery Group’ are pressing the prime minister to go further and faster in easing restrictions. They should keep their counsel"

and The Guardian is reporting on negatives in children as well, so don't think things are that clear cut...

wonderfullife123 · 15/02/2021 11:51

noblegiraffe try playing the ball, not the man. Yes, clearly politicians of all affiliations ALWAYS have their own agenda and are rarely, if ever,, altruistic. That's obvious. However, are you suggesting these stories in the press about the impact on children aren't true? Do you think the collateral damage should be brushed under the carpet? Confronting the reality is vital to any recovery not pretending those issues don't exist or minimising them.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:52

@OliveTree75

This is exactly why so many posters don't engage on these threads. The absolute pile on you get from the OP and her mates for having an opposite opinion!
I was strongly advised not to post here but at some point I did believe if there were useful suggestions that I could put forward and ensure they were implemented, it would be interesting to hear them out. And I'm glad atleast 1 poster did point me towards something that I think I can work on to help.
Notonthestairs · 15/02/2021 11:53

@Shehz21 who advised you against posting on this thread?

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:53

However, are you suggesting these stories in the press about the impact on children aren't true? Do you think the collateral damage should be brushed under the carpet?

Another person who could try reading the OP.

And when I get exasperated at being having to constantly repeat myself and correct people (deliberately?) misinterpreting what I write, that others seem to manage to understand, I’m the one in the wrong.

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wuwubaba · 15/02/2021 11:54

Has it occurred to anybody that some posters might be the same person, with different accounts?

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:57

@rookiemere

Thanks *@noblegiraffe* for your response on how you think schools going back should ideally plan out. I would link if I could as it seems utterly sensible and not much different from my own thoughts, although I suspect we're both coming to the question from different angles.
I don’t think so. I suspect we are both coming from the angle of ‘schools opened as soon as possible in a sustainable way that doesn’t set back the good impact of lockdown on infection rates and undermine the vaccination programme’.

If that’s the starting point, the conclusions are going to be pretty similar.

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FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 11:57

wonderfullife

try playing the ball, not the man.

yet other posters are actually "playing the man" and you are saying nothing.

However, are you suggesting these stories in the press about the impact on children aren't true?

That isn't what was said.

Do you think the collateral damage should be brushed under the carpet?

The point is that other groups will be doing exactly that, whilst teachers, support staff and parents are left to pick up the pieces.

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