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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 11:58

OliveTree75
This is exactly why so many posters don't engage on these threads. The absolute pile on you get from the OP and her mates for having an opposite opinion!

If there is a "pile on" its due to posters telling lies and being corrected by multiple sources.

Zandathepanda · 15/02/2021 12:04

Shehz21 on the assumption you do do some kind of risk assessments, I would have been interested in your report last term from my daughters NOR 1600 secondary school. Pupils sitting shoulder to shoulder told not to wear masks in lessons. Yes it was in an email that they should only wear masks in corridors. Dd could wear a mask if she produced medical evidence but she knows that protects others rather than herself (and the peer pressure not to wear one is huge). So no mask wearing nor social distancing going on, except in corridors cos we all know that where covid is (!). Masks can’t be worn when eating (no tables or chairs anymore at lunch - sitting on the hall floor to space the year groups out). The same scrunched up dirty masks worn for weeks on end or chin warmers when a teacher isn’t about in communal spaces. No hand sanitiser used unless directed. Sometimes no hand sanitiser as it’s run out. Classrooms with no windows open as they are painted shut or don’t have any. Children holding hands and facing each other in music/drama. Buses full of pupils not social distancing. Pupils going out to snog/smoke/deal drugs round the back. Unmasked pupils walking back from school holding hands/snogging/hugging (some Yr11 do it more when they see horrified oldies as they are so cool and rebels don’t you know). If a child actually has symptoms and stays at home to take the test (lots take the test and still go into school as the parents say they don’t really think they have it) and it is positive, then only the people sitting one in front and one to the sides are told to isolate. Until it got really silly and whole year groups were off.

On social media suddenly everyone is having parties/sleepovers as parents rationalise there’s not much point staying away from each other if you sit next to each other all day. And they must have a party for their mental health (yes have heard this).

My vulnerable daughter has a bubble of 4 at home. At school it’s thousands.

No hands, no face, no space.

You’ve got your work cut out.

OliveTree75 · 15/02/2021 12:08

@FrippEnos

OliveTree75 This is exactly why so many posters don't engage on these threads. The absolute pile on you get from the OP and her mates for having an opposite opinion!

If there is a "pile on" its due to posters telling lies and being corrected by multiple sources.

Yeah, ok. You all do it to anyone who dares to put across a different point of view. I bet I am not the only one who opens threads, sees the OP and then closes them again thinking "what's the point in engaging?". Thankfully this thread is nearly full.
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 12:08

I'm going to read your post as soon as possible as gonna be driving now. But definitely got my work cut out from the bits and bobs I'm reading.

FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 12:11

OliveTree75

Yeah, ok. You all do it to anyone who dares to put across a different point of view.

And so do many of those with an opposing PoV.

I bet I am not the only one who opens threads, sees the OP and then closes them again thinking "what's the point in engaging?".

Yet as you point out

Thankfully this thread is nearly full.

So not all feel the same way.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 12:14

I bet I am not the only one who opens threads, sees the OP and then closes them again thinking "what's the point in engaging?

And yet here you are. Joining in with the pile-on.

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SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 12:14

I bet I am not the only one who opens threads, sees the OP and then closes them again

And yet here you are. Literally just coming on to a thread to have ago at the OP. It’s ok for posters to open threads and then close them.

It’s interesting that you think anyone who agrees with the OP is “piling on” and “her mates” but the people disagreeing are all independent and not connected.

But what would I know, I ask questions which are “rude” soooooo

OliveTree75 · 15/02/2021 12:14

God it's annoying when posters disect every line of a post.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 12:15

But definitely got my work cut out from the bits and bobs I'm reading.

How badly have you been doing your job till now that these things are a revelation? Bloody hell.

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Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2021 12:15

The trouble is , in these slanging matches, interesting , and heartfelt, posts like zanda's get lost in the maelstrom as those who have something to say get ignored. It is almost as if they are an inconvenient truth.

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 12:15

Pahahaha.

At least we can’t be the same account noble given that x post 🤣🤣🤣🤣

OliveTree75 · 15/02/2021 12:15

I never called you rude Confused

CallmeAngelina · 15/02/2021 12:16

Yes, I too was going to ask: how long have you been in your job, @Shehz21?
Shock

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 12:16

I know you didn’t Olive

Assuming you’ve read the last few pages, you’ll see who did 😊

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 12:18

@noblegiraffe

But definitely got my work cut out from the bits and bobs I'm reading.

How badly have you been doing your job till now that these things are a revelation? Bloody hell.

Well from reading your threads and the comments on it, I can see many people disagreeing with you fervently and would not want someone with views like their own to teach their kids. Don't know whether that hints at you being an absolutely amazing teacher or not really the best in your field either.
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 12:19

@Piggywaspushed

The trouble is , in these slanging matches, interesting , and heartfelt, posts like zanda's get lost in the maelstrom as those who have something to say get ignored. It is almost as if they are an inconvenient truth.
I actually wanted to read her post as soon as I stopped at the petrol pump and reply to it but noble had to make it a slanging match about my job now.
FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 12:20

@OliveTree75

God it's annoying when posters disect every line of a post.
So your not here for a discussion just to moan.

Good to know.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 12:20

Don't know whether that hints at you being an absolutely amazing teacher or not really the best in your field either.

Ask people who ask me for advice on teaching issues, rather than people who disagree with my covid posts.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to know your job.

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 12:20

@CallmeAngelina

Yes, I too was going to ask: how long have you been in your job, *@Shehz21*? Shock
Why are you so hell bent on just repeating whatever noble says. Proper echo chamber here.
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 12:21

Wondering if there's a deliberate attempt to fill this thread from people who don't want the OP more widely read.

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OliveTree75 · 15/02/2021 12:22

@noblegiraffe

Wondering if there's a deliberate attempt to fill this thread from people who don't want the OP more widely read.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 For gods sake have a Daffodil yourself
SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 12:22

Maybe it would be a good idea to start another one and link to it noble

FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 12:23

@SmileEachDay

Maybe it would be a good idea to start another one and link to it noble
Sounds like a plan to me
Notonthestairs · 15/02/2021 12:24

@Shehz21 I think you overlooked my question - who advised you not to post on this thread?

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