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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 10:00

Shehz21
It just seems to be really divisive with one group who completely support noble's cause

As noble's cause is to get schools open and keep them open I am happy to be lumped in with her.

and the rest of the teachers who actually just want to be back on the 8th of March no matter what.

If only there was some actual evidence of this.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:01

@noblegiraffe

one group who completely support noble's cause and the rest of the teachers who actually just want to be back on the 8th of March no matter what.

What’s my cause? You don’t even know, even though I wrote it in my OP.

As you say, your cause is very clear in your OP. Wink And like I said there is a group of posters who support it and then the rest who,at this point,just want to back no matter what.
EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 10:01

It is in most children's interests to be back at school. And not to be constantly isolating or at risk of "asymptomatically" spreading Covid to their household and onto the wider community.
Most teachers have been campaigning for effective safety measures in schools, so kids CAN be back in school, and stay there.

And on other issues that unions campaign for. What is it about supporting better working conditions for teachers that is against children's interests? Are you not wanting the best possible teachers for your children? Want teaching to be a profession that attracts the best?
Or do you want teaching to be a job where schools scrabble around to find any warm body to stand in front of a class? Cheaper the better?

echt · 15/02/2021 10:03

And you know this how? Crystal ball? Or just being judgemental as usual? You have no fucking idea what people will be thinking in a year's time

I would imagine years on MN would show the usual concerns of parents about schooling on the AIBU and it's never been funding or children' mental health. Hence the scepticism now.

It would be nice to be surprised though. One lives in hope.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 15/02/2021 10:04

It was revealed that 40% of cases are directly from the NHS - are posters really saying that 60% of cases come directly from children? I thought the pubs were getting the blame at one point

You need to read the data and thread properly. No one has said your 60% statistic anywhere.

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:05

noble’s cause

She

What do you think that is?

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:05

As you say, your cause is very clear in your OP.

Last night you were posting about how I wanted schools to remain closed even if teachers were vaccinated.... Bonkers.

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Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:06

@FrippEnos

and the rest of the teachers who actually just want to be back on the 8th of March no matter what.
If only there was some actual evidence of this.

If you are in an echo chamber, it doesn't surprise me that you can't see it. But there are other threads with schools as the main topic where many teachers just want to be back on the 8th regardless to changes happening or not.
The most recent one I'm currently reading is this one:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4164905-Those-who-work-in-schools

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:06

@noblegiraffe

As you say, your cause is very clear in your OP.

Last night you were posting about how I wanted schools to remain closed even if teachers were vaccinated.... Bonkers.

Which is what you mentioned as well. Absolutely bonkers.
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:08

Which is what you mentioned as well. Absolutely bonkers.

No, I didn’t, because that’s not what I actually think.

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FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 10:10

@Shehz21

Just FYI most of those posting are not teachers but support staff and its not as compelling as you seem to think.

MrsHamlet · 15/02/2021 10:11

Being back on the 8th with no additional mitigations sounds great. Except that it's almost inevitable that bubbles will burst and my y11 and 13 will have further disruption to their education.
That is the biggest concern to me - because that makes things far more difficult for them than knowing that p4 is a live lesson with MrsHamlet where we're doing exam work. Bouncing in and out is no good for anyone, least of all the parents who have to drop everything to collect them.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:12

@SmileEachDay

noble’s cause

She

What do you think that is?

You are here posting defending that very cause and asking me what is that. Again I am not commenting on whether the cause is right or wrong. I'm commenting on how I've noticed the whole school issue is divisive, with some supporting Noble's cause but quite a few just wanting to get on with it on the 8th.
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:13

[quote FrippEnos]**@Shehz21

Just FYI most of those posting are not teachers but support staff and its not as compelling as you seem to think.[/quote]
Like I said it's not just this thread there are many others. And there a quite a few teachers on that thread and for example on the good news thread where they just want to be back on the 8th no matter what.

FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 10:13

@Shehz21

Why are you trying to rewrite history concerning what noble believes?

There is thread after thread of how, schools could be opened in a sustainable manner (posted by noble) yet you are putting forward the narrative that noble wants schools shut.

What is your endgame here?
Other than to rewrite history.

Snookie00 · 15/02/2021 10:14

@echt. Indeed but adults voices, be that business leaders or teachers unions in this case, shout louder and are more organised. Neither side represents children. Sometimes the aims of the teachers unions overlap with what is best for children but sometimes they don’t.

In this case the obsession with the opaque term “safe schools” is smokescreen for furthering the aims of teachers unions to reengineer the education system (and by happy coincidence increase teacher numbers therefore union members) rather than children who deserve a decent education. I have as much contempt for business leaders who want their members back at work and are dressing it up as kids need education btw but this thread is full of people disingenuously claiming that the teachers position is for children’s benefit when it’s clearly not.

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:14

No, She I’m asking what you think “noble’s cause” is.

FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 10:15

@Shehz21

The "no matter what" is you reading what you want in to someone else's posts. Something that you do a lot of.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 15/02/2021 10:17

but this thread is full of people disingenuously claiming that the teachers position is for children’s benefit when it’s clearly not.

How is it beneficial to have repeated periods of isolation? That's more disruptive than an entire term/few weeks online. Having half the class in and half out doesn't give anyone a decent education.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:17

I just read that school worker thread and there was post after post from teachers and school staff who want schools open as soon as possible but who think that going back in the same manner as we did in September would be crazy and lead to the Hokey Cokey of repeated isolations again. Suggestions of phased returns were quite popular.

Hardly an endorsement of ‘back no matter what’. Confused

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SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:17

the aims of teachers unions to reengineer the education system

How do you think teaching unions want the education system to be?

EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 10:19

[quote Snookie00]@echt. Indeed but adults voices, be that business leaders or teachers unions in this case, shout louder and are more organised. Neither side represents children. Sometimes the aims of the teachers unions overlap with what is best for children but sometimes they don’t.

In this case the obsession with the opaque term “safe schools” is smokescreen for furthering the aims of teachers unions to reengineer the education system (and by happy coincidence increase teacher numbers therefore union members) rather than children who deserve a decent education. I have as much contempt for business leaders who want their members back at work and are dressing it up as kids need education btw but this thread is full of people disingenuously claiming that the teachers position is for children’s benefit when it’s clearly not.[/quote]
Now you are clearly talking bollocks.
So it wouldn't be in your child's interest to be in a smaller class, with a higher teacher-pupil ratio? Do you really not think that smaller class sizes (with quality staff) would not improve education in this country??!

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:19

[quote FrippEnos]**@Shehz21

Why are you trying to rewrite history concerning what noble believes?

There is thread after thread of how, schools could be opened in a sustainable manner (posted by noble) yet you are putting forward the narrative that noble wants schools shut.

What is your endgame here?
Other than to rewrite history.[/quote]
Woaw now you are just fan girling.
Rewrite history! 😅

I am only just mentioning what Noble said upthread that even vaccinating teachers would not be enough as a measure to mitigate risks. Obviously I only saw this morning that some of the teachers backing Noble's cause(which again I'm not saying is right or wrong!), that they can't wear masks in classrooms. I have seen time and again and on this very thread teachers saying they couldn't care less what the govt said and wore their masks and visors regardless. So finding it a bit of a revelation that teachers are actually being enforced NOT to wear masks.

TryingNotToPanicOverCovid · 15/02/2021 10:20

Of course teacher's position is for children's benefit. 🤦‍♀️. It is quite literally their job...

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:21

@noblegiraffe

I just read that school worker thread and there was post after post from teachers and school staff who want schools open as soon as possible but who think that going back in the same manner as we did in September would be crazy and lead to the Hokey Cokey of repeated isolations again. Suggestions of phased returns were quite popular.

Hardly an endorsement of ‘back no matter what’. Confused

You are obviously cherry picking those that suit your agenda. You seriously haven't noticed how most of them just want to go back though or quite a few commented on how it wouldn't make a difference as they have already been teaching classes of 25/50/70% capacity of keyworker and vulnerable kids.