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Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda

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noblegiraffe · 14/02/2021 12:08

I can't be the only one disgusted with how certain groups are using faux concern about children to push the earliest dismantling of lockdown restrictions.

They are loudly catastrophising on the front pages of the press about our kids. The lost generation. £40,000 in lost earnings. Articles about schools full of traumatised kids suffering PTSD caused by lockdown.

And the solution they propose is always to re-open schools as early as possible. Even before March 8th. Regardless of covid.

Now, the situation in schools before Christmas was awful. Some areas of the country had less than 50% attendance due to the new variant ripping through secondary schools. Secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population by far, and are now the second least infected subset of the population behind the 70+ age group after schools were closed, demonstrating that there was a massive problem with transmission in secondary schools. It wasn't good for pupils' mental health or education to be in a situation when they didn't know if they'd be in school or out at the drop of a hat. But before Christmas, there was complete media silence on the impact that this was having on children.

CAMHS has been devastated by cuts. Waiting lists are intolerable and children in dire need of support don't even qualify. Same for social care around vulnerable children.

Yet you won't hear these people clamouring for schools re-opening as soon as possible talking at all about how to improve safety measures in schools to prevent the scenario we had before Christmas happening again. You won't hear them demanding more funding for children's mental health services and for more support for social care services.

And the reason you won't hear that is that THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

The reason that they want schools re-opened as quickly as possible is because the message was that schools had to open first.

They can't get what they really want open (everything else) until schools are open, hence the massive focus on schools and how terrible things are for children.

This catastrophising isn't good for parents or kids. It's scaremongering and unhelpful.

I know that there are kids (and parents) really struggling with their mental health and worried about their education. Blaring out messages about how terrible things are and how they will never recover because you want to hype up the message about schools going back is irresponsible and sickening.

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

We need these anti-lockdown campaigners to shut up and stop dominating the narrative.

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noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:43

Says the OP who could not articulate in her opening post what she is advocating for except putting DON'T GIVE A SHIT in capital letters

Here you go, it’s in my OP:

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 15/02/2021 10:45

My job is one that consists of visiting various schools in the area.

In the classrooms as well without backlash.

My job has been ongoing throughout the pandemic despite not being able to physically visit schools.

So have you been in classrooms or not?

SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:45

She

Can you please tell me - in your own words - what you think “noble’s cause” is? I’ve asked politely...

EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 10:45

I don't believe you.
Some heads may well have said to H&S people remotely that they would not punish staff or students who insist on wearing masks in the classrooms against DfE instructions. But I doubt that is common, or indeed was related to staff even if it was the case
You have absolutely no idea.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:45

@EnemyOfEducationNo1

Aha! So you haven't actually physically visited schools.....
Oh great here we go 🙄

The point is there are schools who have allowed mask wearing even in classes and those wanting to wear it, for example in my niece's class, all of them wore it, have faced no backlash.

Again I am quite against the fact that heads have enforced no mask wearing in schools.

chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 10:46

She is in charge of H&S in schools? We're all doomed.

EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 10:46

Also don't forget that U4them publicly and loudly declared their massed lawyers would be bringing court cases against any school who brought mask wearing in....

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:47

@EnemyOfEducationNo1

I don't believe you. Some heads may well have said to H&S people remotely that they would not punish staff or students who insist on wearing masks in the classrooms against DfE instructions. But I doubt that is common, or indeed was related to staff even if it was the case You have absolutely no idea.
There have been other teachets on this thread that confirmed the very same thing, that they have worn their masks throughout in classroomsConfused

If you don't believe us, then that's up to you.

EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 10:47

@chocolateisavegetable

She is in charge of H&S in schools? We're all doomed.
Speaks volumes doesn't it?

That's it, I'm out.

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:48

Again here’s what I’m advocating for in my OP, Sheh

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

Perhaps you could go through it line by line and explain what you find so objectionable?

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Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2021 10:49

A YouGov poll this morning says 37% of those surveyed want schools back (not sure if the Q specified 8 March or any ts and cs) and 38% don't. I have no sympathy really for Boris and co but honestly, how do you resolve that level of polarisation of following the science is not the choice?

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:49

@noblegiraffe

Says the OP who could not articulate in her opening post what she is advocating for except putting DON'T GIVE A SHIT in capital letters

Here you go, it’s in my OP:

We need sensible and calm conversations about how to support children and parents. We need funding for schools and massive investment in support services. We need a long-term program of recovery, not 9 months of a Catch-Up Tsar and quick fixes. We need a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant).

And I did ask you last night what you were proposing in terms of "a measured and sensible approach to schools re-opening that won't see kids in and out and in and out due to lack of mitigation measures causing rampant covid spread (particularly with the new variant)."

I am in a position where I can suggest these measures to the schools that report to me so I would love to put forward suggestions but you blatantly ignored me last night so🤷‍♀️

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:50

@chocolateisavegetable

She is in charge of H&S in schools? We're all doomed.
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SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:51

you blatantly ignored me last night so🤷‍♀️

You’re ignoring me now....

It’s ok. Would you like me to go first and articulate what I think “noble’s cause” is?

Piggywaspushed · 15/02/2021 10:54

I don't buy this if they want to stuff with masks. What sort of message is it that ,only in schools, mind, you wear masks if you want to? Surely, rules are clearer than choice, especially where children are concerned.

You don't wear masks if you want to when visiting a GP, optician, supermarket unless you are Toby Young. The 'if you want to ' thing is the grey area.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:54

@SmileEachDay

you blatantly ignored me last night so🤷‍♀️

You’re ignoring me now....

It’s ok. Would you like me to go first and articulate what I think “noble’s cause” is?

I am ignoring you as you are quite a rude and patronizing poster and I'd rather not engage with you.
Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 10:56

@Piggywaspushed

I don't buy this if they want to stuff with masks. What sort of message is it that ,only in schools, mind, you wear masks if you want to? Surely, rules are clearer than choice, especially where children are concerned.

You don't wear masks if you want to when visiting a GP, optician, supermarket unless you are Toby Young. The 'if you want to ' thing is the grey area.

I agree. But unfortunately this is all the heads could do. A promise of not to punish for those who wanted to wear masks.
FrippEnos · 15/02/2021 10:58

Shehz21

Very little worth saying at all.

Do try harder

chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 10:58

@Piggywaspushed

I don't buy this if they want to stuff with masks. What sort of message is it that ,only in schools, mind, you wear masks if you want to? Surely, rules are clearer than choice, especially where children are concerned.

You don't wear masks if you want to when visiting a GP, optician, supermarket unless you are Toby Young. The 'if you want to ' thing is the grey area.

SLT to staff: well, yes you can wear a mask if you really want to, but do bear in mind that it isn't really ideal when teaching. You'll notice that none of SLT are wearing them by the way.

SLT in report to She : all staff are able to wear masks

noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 10:58

I am ignoring you as you are quite a rude and patronizing poster and I'd rather not engage with you.

Then maybe you will understand why I blatantly ignored you last night when you waltzed in, insulted me and said you didn’t want me teaching your children.

You think I’d bother writing you an essay after that?

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SmileEachDay · 15/02/2021 10:59

I am ignoring you as you are quite a rude and patronizing poster and I'd rather not engage with you

Ok

Your choice, obvs. What have I said that is rude?

chocolateisavegetable · 15/02/2021 11:00

I'd rather not engage with you

You really don't seem to have much of an issue engaging with others.

Shehz21 · 15/02/2021 11:01

@noblegiraffe

I am ignoring you as you are quite a rude and patronizing poster and I'd rather not engage with you.

Then maybe you will understand why I blatantly ignored you last night when you waltzed in, insulted me and said you didn’t want me teaching your children.

You think I’d bother writing you an essay after that?

Ah well your choice. You have been dismissive and patronizing in your opening post yourself so I guess it's hard facing the same you inflict on others.
EnemyOfEducationNo1 · 15/02/2021 11:02

Shehz - if you are responsible for H&S have you thought that maybe just asking if heads will not officially punish teachers who choose to wear masks is not enough?

Anti-lockdown campaigners using children to push their agenda
noblegiraffe · 15/02/2021 11:02

Ah well your choice. You have been dismissive and patronizing in your opening post yourself so I guess it's hard facing the same you inflict on others.

I’m not sure you’ve even read it. You certainly haven’t understood it.

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