AIBU to think China is lying about its data?

[Ladyks]

Just that really. Noticed on the update that they referenced how China lowered the curve & slowed down the rate of infections & deaths... but I don’t think I’m buying it . What do you think?

I am.
I what way I am disingenuous?

Do you think I am not subject to the same laws by virtue of being an expat?

Because as an expat you will have privileges, including privacy, that Chinese natives do enjoy.

Did their strict quarantine measures work to stop the spread of the virus within China?
Yes I believe so.
Do I believe they were completely honest about their infection rate and about how many people died?
Not particularly. It seems quite likely that those figures are not entirely accurate.

The Chinese social credit system, perhaps better described as Big Brother, is well documented.

I personally believe there figures only included the deaths recorded in hospital, not the tens of thousands who died at home.

Now that is funny!
China knows everything about me. The point I made is regarding the phone-identity-govt link.

Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure
www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html/ampRFA?__twitter_impression=true

The 30 year-old virus whistleblower, who apparently died of the virus, I'm not sure I believe that's how he died.. I wonder if he was punished.

This thread belongs in the coronavirus topic.

I wonder if any of the millions of Uyghur people imprisoned in the Chinese concentration camps caught the virus?

Re: North Korea I heard that anyone with the virus was being shot.

I thought the shooting in NK related to people trying to escape quarantine.

I'm suspicious.

My god the vitriol on this thread makes an uncomfortable read.

@frankie246 indeed our own figures only include people diagnosed with cv in hospital who have died. They do NOT include folk who've been told (by GPs, paramedics etc) that they probably do have it but not been tested who are passing away at home/in care homes etc.

Of course they lied. I also believe they lied about the timeline too.

We had dinner with visitors from Wuhan mid November. By the end of November half the people who'd been there were ill with COVID symptoms. 2 ended up with pneumonia.

The videos they sent from Wuhan are barbaric. The lockdown broke many people. Not to mention the number of deaths the government have lied about.

I shouldn't have to say it but, my Chinese friends are wonderful. I have great respect for them, their country and culture. However their government is abhorrent.

aveMum
My area of concern is North Korea, they’re claiming not to have had a single case so far but given their proximity and trade with China I doubt that’s true, and healthcare in rural regions will be next to non existent. The population there could be devastated by something like this.

*Terralee
I wonder if any of the millions of Uyghur people imprisoned in the Chinese concentration camps caught the virus?

Re: North Korea I heard that anyone with the virus was being shot*

ShanghaiDiva
I thought the shooting in NK related to people trying to escape quarantine

My brother runs a north korean charity, the stories I've heard from him and the N.K nationals who escaped who are now his closest friends make me want to curl up and die myself. We sit here worried bout our nan up the road who might no get her cornflakes the morn, these folk have fuck all, nans fucking shot dead for even wondering bout cornflakes. There's fuck all normal with the N.K figures.

The lockdown in Wuhan, with a population of 11 million people, began on 23 January.

The reported deaths on 22 January according to worldometer was 17.

That is a lot of action over 17 deaths.

I thought the lockdown stated before 23rd?

I live in Jiangsu and we had rumours on 23rd that the virus was spreading to other provinces. By 26th it was compulsory to wear a mask to access the supermarket and streets were deserted.

My mistake, was 23rd.
Seems as though this has been going on forever.

This thread is disturbing, it's gone really rabid.

My area of concern is North Korea, they’re claiming not to have had a single case so far but given their proximity and trade with China I doubt that’s true, and healthcare in rural regions will be next to non existent. The population there could be devastated by something like this.
Of course North Korea haven't had any coronavirus deaths. They shoot anyone who coughs twice as a precaution.

Yeah I think they lied at the start. No idea about now .

The world needs to be involved in investigations into how it started though because if it was preventable we need to make sure it doesn't ever happen again

Michael Gove presented the exact same thing today, a flattening of the curve for infections and deaths in the U.K. So was he lying too?
Or not lying because he’s not Chinese?

Or maybe, just maybe lockdown and social distancing actually does slow the spread of a virus both in China and the U.K. because we are all humans facing the same natural disaster?

That is a lot of action over 17 deaths This.