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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21

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usernameishistory · 11/03/2020 10:58

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Symptoms:
Common signs of infection include respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and even death.

MERS came from camels, SARS from civet cats.

(Extracts from WHO)

Helpful links

The new PHE dashboard for monitoring covid-19 latest published UK figures
www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england
Numbers for Wales (unknown update time)
phw.nhs.wales/topics/latest-information-on-novel-coronavirus-covid-19/

Look after yourself, help with managing your mental well-being, including for self-isolation here.
www.mind.org.uk/information-support/coronavirus-and-your-wellbeing/

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

  • to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
  • to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure

read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c, vit d

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 70% vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

Flowers thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

OP posts:
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ofwarren · 11/03/2020 13:15

Netherlands reports 121 new cases of coronavirus and 1 new death, raising total to 503 cases and 5 dead t.co/eUoE2b20hL
BNO NEWSROOM

GenevaMaybe · 11/03/2020 13:17

Switzerland numbers are out.
155 new cases for a total of 652
75.2 cases/1 million population
1 new death for a total of 4 deaths to date.

I am in a small communications agency. Lots of our clients are being sent to work from home. We are continuing as normal for now but taking extra hygiene measures.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 13:18

@Neepandtatties I'd recommend you be very careful not to touch your face
and then have a shower and hair wash as soon as you finish your shift

BeardedMum · 11/03/2020 13:22

I don’t know if closing schools is the right thing to do. I think closing for everyone except exam years.
The schools my children go to don’t seem to manage it well. They are not sending home children who are visibly sick including my son who asked to go home yesterday and was told to drink water. He has high fever and a terrible cough (all about attendance) and there is no hand soap available for the students at all so unable to wash hands.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:22

I've lost the sodding guardian thread. Can anyone tell me how to find it on their website?

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:23

eighth Briton dies, second UK MP self-isolates and Iran cases hit new record
Guardian

Neepandtatties · 11/03/2020 13:24

onalongsabbatical & bigchocfrenzy thank you.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:24

Brexit talks may be delayed Guardian... Just a random thought.. Is the UK actually better off as an EU member having CV19 now, than if we had left months ago?

DrMaryMalone · 11/03/2020 13:25

2 different local authorities Public health teams in Scotland have told us the same thing re not being at risk of infection from someone with the virus until their symptoms have started. We were all a bit taken aback and I'm extremely doubtful that at least one of us in the building hasn't already caught it.

Horehound · 11/03/2020 13:25

BBC news addressing the toilet roll thing. They have gone to cushelle to show us they make five million rolls a day.

Haha toilet paper manufacturers will be rolling in it...money that is not shit Wink

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 11/03/2020 13:26

We think the dried bats are for Chinese medicine rather than for food.

That’s OK then. Grin]

Quartz2208 · 11/03/2020 13:28

cjt110 if that is from the Guardian its the woman from indonesia I think coupled with the 6 declared here and 1 diamond Princess rather than new deaths

defthand · 11/03/2020 13:30

Is this correct? Does anyone have any links to any credible sources that give an answer either way?

Totally incorrect. The Chinese said from early on there was widespread asymptomatic and presymptonatic transmission. Italian doctors are reporting that now too.

In terms of studies, there was one out a few days ago reported “The proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission was 48% (95%CI 32-67%) for Singapore and 62% (95%CI 50-76%) for Tianjin, China.”

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031815v1

They keep saying they’re taking a science-based approach here. It’s utter bullshit. More like a science-opposed approach.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:30

Thanks @BlueBirdGreenFence

BookMeOnTheSudExpress · 11/03/2020 13:31

I've just heard it was dp's friend who has the fishmonger opposite the bats who rang the authorities so I've told him to ring and find out what in the name of fuck was going on. Blood was apparently dripping off the balcony.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:32

@BookMeOnTheSudExpress OMFG. That is grim.

ofwarren · 11/03/2020 13:32

Hungary declares state of emergency after 13 cases of coronavirus, bans indoor events with more than 100 people
BNO NEWSROOM

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:33

Actual photo of my living room as I type...

J/K. Plenty of loo roll in the local Aldi. Although none in the town centre shops (Sainsburys, Wilko, pound shops etc) Limited in Aldi to 2 packs (of the same size) per customer.

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 21
EducatingArti · 11/03/2020 13:33

From WHO . It looks as if Covid19 is much less contagious before symptoms appear than flu.

"Further, transmission in the first 3-5 days of illness, or potentially pre-symptomatic transmission –transmission of the
virus before the appearance of symptoms – is a major driver of transmission for influenza. In contrast, while we are
learning that there are people who can shed COVID-19 virus 24-48 hours prior to symptom onset, at present, this
does not appear to be a major driver of transmission. "

onalongsabbatical · 11/03/2020 13:33

@cjt110 ha ha - me again! I have Guardian live feed permanently open!
www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/11/coronavirus-update-live-news-uk-health-minister-italy-lockdown-australia-us-china-stock-markets-outbreak-latest-updates

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2020 13:34

"blood dripping" Confused

High time for laws in European countries - and preferably in China too ! - to prevent bats and vermin being used like this

It naturally causes anxiety and may genuinely have some risk if there are live and dead animals together with humans

Hugglespuffed · 11/03/2020 13:34

They are increasing testing to be able to test 10000 people a day. 500% increase.

cjt110 · 11/03/2020 13:34

@onalongsabbatical Me too, except when I panic at work and shut it down Grin then i manage to find a link it my history and it's like 4 days old...

onalongsabbatical · 11/03/2020 13:35

Ha you got it already...