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Conflict in the Middle East

US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4

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RedTagAlan · Yesterday 11:40

Thread 4 for those following and commenting on the above subject.

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RedTagAlan · Yesterday 12:32

CNN article here about the USS Abraham Lincoln .

I see now with the 200 days at sea, and I get the plumbing issues etc, but I not really buying it about Crew trying to jump overboard.

"News outlets Stars and Stripes and the Navy Times reported this week that there had been multiple attempts by crew members to jump overboard, citing interviews with sailors and families of those on board who described the impacts of the lengthy deployment."

I am ready to be flamed for this, but what is an attempt in this context.

Lawmakers demand answers about USS Abraham Lincoln conditions as reports emerge of sailors attempting to jump overboard | CNN Politics

And you know, they are on active duty.

I found this to be interesting. "Acting Navy Secretary Hung Cao". Trump is certainly having issues filling a lot of these jobs.

Lawmakers demand answers about USS Abraham Lincoln conditions as reports emerge of sailors attempting to jump overboard | CNN Politics

Several Democratic lawmakers are calling for answers after concerns were raised by families of sailors aboard USS Abraham Lincoln about the deteriorating living conditions and worsening mental health during the ship’s record-breaking deployment amid th...

https://us.cnn.com/2026/08/13/politics/uss-abraham-lincoln-conditions-extended-deployment-hnk

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BelleHathor · Yesterday 12:34

Thanks @RedTagAlan .

These are images of the gourmet food that American Sailors are being fed on board their ships currently deployed to the region. Obviously Trump, Hegseth et al really, really care about them.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/05/03/meals-us-navy-food-iran-war/89877353007/

Former CIA agent Larry Johnson recently reported speaking to some mothers of the deployed who are extremely angry with their treatment, with one reporting that her son returned having lost a lot of weight.

The USS General Ford recently returned to Notfolk, Virginia after being deployed for 326 days. This followed a mysterious fire and repeated clogged toilets:

"Caudle told senators that when a toilet did clog after a sailor flushed a t-shirt or a rag down the toilet, it only took a few hours for the toilet to be up and running again.

Navy officials did not clarify whether the disposal of fabric in the toilets was intentional or accidental, or what the circumstances around such instances were.

Fatigue from overuse was to be expected as well, the CNO said.

“Five thousand sailors a day flush the commode at least four times a day at least over a ten-month deployment,” Caudle said. “That’s six million flushes.”
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2026/05/19/toilet-issues-on-uss-gerald-r-ford-are-highly-exaggerated-says-cno/

US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4
US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4
Efacsen · Yesterday 12:42

There was also an article in the Guardian about the poor conditions on the USS
Abraham Lincoln - lack of hot water, broken washing machines/no clean uniform
no soap, no deodorant - can't be healthy or pleasant

It's neglect really

JadeHare · Yesterday 12:46

Add in the heat and humidity. Sounds like hell on earth.

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 12:46

BelleHathor · Yesterday 12:34

Thanks @RedTagAlan .

These are images of the gourmet food that American Sailors are being fed on board their ships currently deployed to the region. Obviously Trump, Hegseth et al really, really care about them.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/05/03/meals-us-navy-food-iran-war/89877353007/

Former CIA agent Larry Johnson recently reported speaking to some mothers of the deployed who are extremely angry with their treatment, with one reporting that her son returned having lost a lot of weight.

The USS General Ford recently returned to Notfolk, Virginia after being deployed for 326 days. This followed a mysterious fire and repeated clogged toilets:

"Caudle told senators that when a toilet did clog after a sailor flushed a t-shirt or a rag down the toilet, it only took a few hours for the toilet to be up and running again.

Navy officials did not clarify whether the disposal of fabric in the toilets was intentional or accidental, or what the circumstances around such instances were.

Fatigue from overuse was to be expected as well, the CNO said.

“Five thousand sailors a day flush the commode at least four times a day at least over a ten-month deployment,” Caudle said. “That’s six million flushes.”
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2026/05/19/toilet-issues-on-uss-gerald-r-ford-are-highly-exaggerated-says-cno/

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So it's not just the people in Iran having hardship. I wonder if this means revolt ? Apparently any hardship leads to revolution.

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rainingsnoring · Yesterday 12:47

BelleHathor · Yesterday 12:34

Thanks @RedTagAlan .

These are images of the gourmet food that American Sailors are being fed on board their ships currently deployed to the region. Obviously Trump, Hegseth et al really, really care about them.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/05/03/meals-us-navy-food-iran-war/89877353007/

Former CIA agent Larry Johnson recently reported speaking to some mothers of the deployed who are extremely angry with their treatment, with one reporting that her son returned having lost a lot of weight.

The USS General Ford recently returned to Notfolk, Virginia after being deployed for 326 days. This followed a mysterious fire and repeated clogged toilets:

"Caudle told senators that when a toilet did clog after a sailor flushed a t-shirt or a rag down the toilet, it only took a few hours for the toilet to be up and running again.

Navy officials did not clarify whether the disposal of fabric in the toilets was intentional or accidental, or what the circumstances around such instances were.

Fatigue from overuse was to be expected as well, the CNO said.

“Five thousand sailors a day flush the commode at least four times a day at least over a ten-month deployment,” Caudle said. “That’s six million flushes.”
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2026/05/19/toilet-issues-on-uss-gerald-r-ford-are-highly-exaggerated-says-cno/

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Shocking. This is the world hegemon sinking. Moral must be very low amongst these sailors.

JadeHare · Yesterday 12:48

Not mutiny on the bounty surely?

RedTagAlan · Yesterday 12:50

Efacsen · Yesterday 12:42

There was also an article in the Guardian about the poor conditions on the USS
Abraham Lincoln - lack of hot water, broken washing machines/no clean uniform
no soap, no deodorant - can't be healthy or pleasant

It's neglect really

They signed up for it. They are military. They are on active duty in a war. A war of choice. So I won't be signing any petition for better food etc.

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Twiglets1 · Yesterday 13:53

The food on that tray looks like something my Labrador would produce. Poor bastards.

Then again they do have some lovely tinned carrots.

Not quite sure what it's got to do with the thread title but rate my plate 0/10

JadeHare · Today 03:52

We all believe him, right?

“Hegseth denied the appalling accounts while speaking to reporters during a visit to Panama on Thursday, claiming the reports “completely misrepresented” what was happening on destroyers like the USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Tripoli and more.
“We make sure every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment,” he said. “Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high seas in those austere conditions with less port calls — it’s incredible.””

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“MS Now Host Fumes At Hegseth's 'Trash' Treatment Of Troops As Stories Of Horror At Sea Pile Up”
Kelby Vera
HuffPost UK
https://apple.news/Ag2O9Qe_uQBurGZdwIBdwog
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Truth or Fake - 'Hungry all the time': US Navy denies food shortages after grim photos emerge

The US Navy has fiercely denied claims that its warships in the Middle East are running low on food and leaving its sailors "hungry all the time", as Washington’s blockade in the Strait of Hormuz continues.…

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20260422-hungry-all-the-time-us-navy-deny-food-shortages-after-grim-photos-emerge

RedTagAlan · Today 04:08

JadeHare · Today 03:52

We all believe him, right?

“Hegseth denied the appalling accounts while speaking to reporters during a visit to Panama on Thursday, claiming the reports “completely misrepresented” what was happening on destroyers like the USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Tripoli and more.
“We make sure every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment,” he said. “Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high seas in those austere conditions with less port calls — it’s incredible.””

Excerpt From
“MS Now Host Fumes At Hegseth's 'Trash' Treatment Of Troops As Stories Of Horror At Sea Pile Up”
Kelby Vera
HuffPost UK
https://apple.news/Ag2O9Qe_uQBurGZdwIBdwog
This material may be protected by copyright.

As I have said, no pity from me because they are military in a war. However, see how Hegseth contradicts himself here, sort of:

We make sure every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment,” he said. “Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high seas in those austere conditions with less port calls — it’s incredible.”

So he says it's fake news, then uses the term " austere conditions" and prefaces that with "everything we can provide them ".

So no mention of if what he can provide them with is what they actually need. It seems to me that if there are " austere conditions", then what he can provide them with is not all they need, or have requested.

A reminder, the USA has 11 fleet carriers. Why on earth are they not rotating them ? Carrier doctrine is a fleet of 3 is needed to have one on duty. So they should have 3.5 on duty at any one time. Plus they have all their smaller non fleet carriers.

Trump and pals are running it all into the ground.

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JadeHare · Today 04:11

But the WP has this:

“Senate Democrats are demanding answers from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth after reports of deteriorating conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea that has been deployed since November.
The Defense Department downplayed the situation Thursday amid reports of supply shortages, attempted suicides and sewage problems on the ship, which has been at sea more than a month past its scheduled seven-month deployment.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut) sent a list of questions Wednesday to Hegseth and acting Navy secretary Hung Cao regarding his “serious concerns” about the carrier’s extended deployment to support military operations against Iran.”
“Blumenthal said conditions seem to be worsening as reports come out from sailors’ families about alleged food shortages, broken toilets, moldy showers, water contamination and faulty mail systems that prevent care packages from arriving.
He pointed out that under normal conditions, working on the USS Lincoln requires long shifts around jet engines and heavy machinery, where mistakes can be deadly and the threat of attack is always present.
The Military Times reported this week that at least two sailors have attempted to jump overboard, with the wife of one sailor saying burnout caused her husband to try to jump.”

Excerpt From
“Democrats seek answers after reports of poor conditions on USS Abraham Lincoln”
Sammy Westfall
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/AQqNedHzwRHme23xgbFox7g
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Excerpt From
“Democrats seek answers after reports of poor conditions on USS Abraham Lincoln”
Sammy Westfall
The Washington Post
https://apple.news/AQqNedHzwRHme23xgbFox7g
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Democrats seek answers after reports of poor conditions on USS Abraham Lincoln — The Washington Post

Sailors’ families told the Military Times that two men tried to jump overboard as crews endure food shortages, broken toilets and water contamination.

https://apple.news/AQqNedHzwRHme23xgbFox7g

JadeHare · Today 04:14

Sorry, it didn’t post the whole article. But stroking my chinny chin chin!

trumpredcard · Today 07:06

Sooner than expected, next week even, or maybe in two weeks, the world and posters here will be getting an opportunity to witness whether economic suffering will lead to an overthrow of its leaders, by the Iranian people. As direct sanctions plus military force have so far not resulted in Iran showing the white flag, the next genius US move to deliver capitulation is to target countries trading with Iran.

Leading the new strategy is Bessent, who is so integral to the programme's success that he was left behind as bait on AF-1 when Trump fled exited Turkey on a decoy plane via a catering cart.

This is the May 2026 fact sheet on sanctions in place at the time.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/05/united-states-sanctions-network-facilitating-irans-illicit-oil-trade/

The US will soon announce what it bills as unprecedented economic measures against Iran, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said, intensifying the Trump administration's effort to force Tehran's capitulation through financial pressure.

"Watch this space for more announcements coming next week because we are going to apply measures like have never been seen in the history of economic isolation on a country," Bessent said Thursday in an interview with Newsmax.
Bessent said the move will be part of a "one-two punch" that includes the continued blockade of Iran's ports.

Iran's economy has already taken a significant hit from the war, with much of its industrial capacity destroyed and crude exports severely curtailed by the US blockade. But the country has weathered waves of sanctions, which have failed to force Tehran to bend on its nuclear program or relinquish control over the Strait of Hormuz.

President Donald Trump in recent days has renewed his administration's push for economic pressure on Iran as the US faces a shortfall of necessary munitions and appears wary of expanding its military campaign.

Trump told Axios over the weekend that he is "low-keying it" with Iran. "We are just watching Iran with its huge inflation and the fact they have no money," he said.
Iran, for its part, has reorganized its military to be more aggressive abroad as talks on ending the war with the US remain in stalemate, a sign that Tehran is preparing for a protracted era of regional conflict.

There is little sign of a breakthrough between Iran and the US over the Strait of Hormuz. Both sides claim control of the waterway, through which one-fifth of the world's oil and gas is shipped, and are demanding concessions that are unlikely to be met.
(Yahoo Finance)

Technical Difficulties

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/05/united-states-sanctions-network-facilitating-irans-illicit-oil-trade

Twiglets1 · Today 07:55

@trumpredcard Sooner than expected, next week even, or maybe in two weeks, the world and posters here will be getting an opportunity to witness whether economic suffering will lead to an overthrow of its leaders, by the Iranian people.

I'm pretty sure that none of the posters here expect further economic sanctions to lead to an overthrow of IRGC leaders in the next week or two weeks.

trumpredcard · Today 08:39

Twiglets1 · Today 07:55

@trumpredcard Sooner than expected, next week even, or maybe in two weeks, the world and posters here will be getting an opportunity to witness whether economic suffering will lead to an overthrow of its leaders, by the Iranian people.

I'm pretty sure that none of the posters here expect further economic sanctions to lead to an overthrow of IRGC leaders in the next week or two weeks.

😂

trumpredcard · Today 08:47

It's incomprehensible that the significance of the deliberate use of 'two weeks' is lost on any poster on this thread.
(And inability to understand nuance, sarcasm or irony.)

This post is a general observation, mnhq, as I'm expecting to be reported in
3...2...1

BelleHathor · Today 08:54

Leading the new strategy is Bessent, who is so integral to the programme's success that he was left behind as bait on AF-1 when Trump fled exited Turkey on a decoy plane via a catering cart.

I'm loving the memes of "big strong and brave" Trump hiding in a food truck.

It's even more ridiculous when the alleged threat was that he was going to be targeted by a shoulder mounted Manpad. Even the CIA rated the intelligence provided by the Israeli government as low confidence.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-could-not-verify-israeli-warnings-iran-plots-against-trump-sources-say-2026-08-13/

"The most detailed warning came ahead of the NATO summit in Ankara in July, the U.S. official and the other person familiar with the matter said. Israeli officials briefed the White House about intelligence that indicated Iran may try to kill Trump, potentially with a shoulder-launched missile, while he traveled on Air Force One for the summit, the officials said.

The U.S. intelligence community has long assessed that Iran wants to retaliate for Trump’s killing of Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani in 2020. But the Central Intelligence Agency has not been able to corroborate some of the specific threats against Trump's life shared by Israeli intelligence since early last year, the officials said.

In the case of the NATO episode, a Turkish official said the country's intelligence agencies also did not have any evidence to corroborate the Israeli claim about the threat to Trump's life, an assessment the host country shared with Americans."

Picture of a MANPAD & memes galore 😁😂🫣

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-turkey-escape-air-force-one-b3031081.html

US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4
US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4
US-Iran peace agreement discussion, part 4
Twiglets1 · Today 10:13

trumpredcard · Today 08:47

It's incomprehensible that the significance of the deliberate use of 'two weeks' is lost on any poster on this thread.
(And inability to understand nuance, sarcasm or irony.)

This post is a general observation, mnhq, as I'm expecting to be reported in
3...2...1

How can “inability to understand nuance, sarcasm or irony” be a general observation?

It’s a personal attack and you know it because you are expecting to be reported for saying it.

trumpredcard · Today 11:15

Are we looking at main character syndrome here?
It is not beyond the bounds of belief that prior behaviour is a good indicator of future behaviour and not an assumption of guilt.
How, Why and Who is being personally attacked?

BelleHathor · Today 11:20

An interesting thing to follow right now is the American strategic petroleum reserves running out.

I only recently learnt that they are stored in Salt Caverns. Trump et al have exhausted the supplies in order to keep the price of Oil artificially low.

Of course Trump blames Biden, who used the reserves during Covid, but not to this extent.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-u-s-stockpiles-oil-in-huge-underground-salt-caverns-heres-why/

A dark tunnel through white, gray and brown material

Inside the massive underground salt caves where the U.S. stashes its oil

Salt, with its ability to seal liquid in, is uniquely suited to storing the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-u-s-stockpiles-oil-in-huge-underground-salt-caverns-heres-why/

trumpredcard · Today 11:32

trumpredcard · Today 11:15

Are we looking at main character syndrome here?
It is not beyond the bounds of belief that prior behaviour is a good indicator of future behaviour and not an assumption of guilt.
How, Why and Who is being personally attacked?

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Also wish to add that @Twiglets1 , I think you missed the sarcastic tone of my initial post.

Twiglets1 · Today 11:50

trumpredcard · Today 11:15

Are we looking at main character syndrome here?
It is not beyond the bounds of belief that prior behaviour is a good indicator of future behaviour and not an assumption of guilt.
How, Why and Who is being personally attacked?

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I know I live rent free in your head.

(I think the giveaway in this instance was the fact I was the only person who replied to your post about two weeks ... and you already laughed at it before making the post in question less than 10 minutes later saying it's incomprehensible that the significance of the deliberate use of 'two weeks' is lost on any poster on this thread).

If you're going to fling out insults then at least own them.

BelleHathor · Today 12:03

I must admit @trumpredcard you briefly traumatised me 🫣🙃🥺, the two weeks brought back flashbacks of Boris Johnson and his "15 days to slow the spread" during covid, not exactly what you wish to think about early in the morning.

I am fine though, a second coffee and cake aided my recovery. 😉

P.s. keep an eye on the Japanese Yen and the Korean Stock markets, lots of negative indicators.

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