Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

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Cannot find a link yet but was on BBC as breaking news.

Kier Starmer has called out Israel and said they must stop and what they are doing is wrong.

Hurrah!

Israel now seeking talks with Lebanese Govt....

What is it with these murderers? Kill and then have talks... so evil.

Now that we've got all of that killing and rage out of our system for a while we feel like we might be ready to talk now....honestly wtf is Israel?! If 100s of Israelis had just been slaughtered in a mass attack would Israel be willing to go to the table and talk it out? I think we all know the answer to that one.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/apr/09/iran-war-britain-allies-europe-energy-social-policies

Re terrorists of the future. @Twiglets1 and I discussed this yesterday. There is a critical difference between WW2 and the Middle East of today.

In WW2, the root cause, the leaders, was removed. The ideology that drove the war came from them. They controlled the state and had all the propaganda. Once removed, that was all gone. And there was de-Nazification too.

In the Middle East, the root cause, Palestine, remains. Removing leaders achieves relatively nothing. Because there are new leaders waiting in the wings to pick up the flag. Even at an individual level, the root cause remains.

I don't really subscribe to the " it will make more terrorists." thing. Because the new bombing might not be a new long term root cause. It will be a cause to rally around while the bombing goes on, but when the bombing stops, that cause is gone. But so long as the root cause of Palestine remains, anyone killed fighting for that, will likely be replaced.

I can't think of any terror attacks done for historical revenge. The Nazis of today (very few of them), are not doing things because "you killed my grandad". No, they do things for what they see as ongoing issues.

Do you agree with that reasoning ?

Makes sense, hence why I said I don't agree with 'making terrorists of the future' speech some repeat.

Yes the question of Palestine needs resolving for both Palestinian people and Israelis.

Yup. And Netanyahu says no to two state, but is bombing at the same time. Any terrorists he kills will be replaced, Even if not replaced on a 1 to 1 basis, bombing will never solve it. And the more innocents he kills, the grater that different cause becomes.

Netanyahu, or his successor, cannot keep saying no.

You re not accepting the history of the region... where each atrocity, from either side, has led to new hatred and new recruits.... never heard of the Nakba? the current Israeli attacks are based firmly on what happened after October 7th.

How would you break this cycle of violence?

On WW2, perhaps consider why the allies did not punish Germany like the did after WW1, they realised that had contributed to the rise of the Nazi's.

I don't like to dwell too much on WW2 and the Nazis as nothing is really comparable to the holocaust and attempts to compare can potentially become offensive to Jewish people.

Just wanted to make a quick point which is that yes, the lessons from WW1 were learnt with WW2 about not punishing Germany too severely.

But also - Germany surrendered. That makes it much easier to move on and in time, forgive.

With Palestine, Hamas seem to have an ideological refusal to surrender, despite Gaza being decimated and the Hamas military having "lost" in the way Western countries would perceive winning and losing.

I'm sure you are aware that the 2 state solution has been proposed numerous times over the years. However, it requires both 'sides' to agree, something that the governance of Gaza has said no to many times previously.

Stop deciding what I do and don't accept.

The reason why I engage with some posters and not others is some appear to realise that many of us have been around a long time and do understand the background and history, others make assumptions.

Who said no to the 2 state solution ? (Nov 2025)

Netanyahu: ‘There will not be a Palestinian state,’ even at cost of ties with Saudis | The Times of Israel

The Palestinian authority do though.

FactCheck: what is a two state solution and do Israelis and Palestinians want one? – Channel 4 News

From that 2nd article (Dec 2023):

"Despite the apparent lack of popular support for a two state solution, the leader of the Palestinian Authority – which controls the West Bank but not Gaza – Mahmoud Abbas, has recently repeated his desire for one. "

"In 2017, Hamas, the UK-designated terror group that controls Gaza, proposed what some observers saw as a move towards the two state solution."

And see how support for it has collapsed since 2012 among the Palestinians. Support lost can be regained.

"Gallup polling conducted between July and September this year (before the latest war began) found just 24 per cent of Palestinians would support a two state solution. That’s a massive collapse in support since 2012, when the figure was around 60 per cent."

So a big bit of one side says yes. The other bit of that side did say maybe. The Netanyahu side says a firm no. So what side has to give to at least start to break the deadlock? It can't be handwaved away by basically saying "but HAMAS". Change happens. It is Netanyahu who holds the reigns of change.

Do you agree that no change can happen until Netanyahu changes from his firm NO ?

There are also concerns that the 2SS proposed through the Oslo Accords was very much biased against the Palestinians.

https://www.scribd.com/document/425833333/The-Honest-Broker-is-Crooked