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Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

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Ihatetomatoes · 03/04/2026 09:21

Cannot find a link yet but was on BBC as breaking news.

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Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 17:00

Notonthestairs · 08/04/2026 16:27

The statement from Pakistan says the US and its allies have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon.

Netanyahu's office doesn't agree as they posted this on X overnight:

Israel supports President Trump's decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks subject to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks on the US, Israel and countries in the region.

Israel also supports the US effort to ensure that Iran no longer poses a nuclear, missile and terror threat to America, Israel, Iran's Arab neighbors and the world.

The United States has told Israel that it is committed to achieving these goals, shares by the US, Israel and Israel's regional allies, in the upcoming negotiations. The two-weeks ceasefire does not include Lebanon.

Notonthestairs · 08/04/2026 17:07

Yes, I’m aware of that. But clearly the original announcements agreed by Iran and the US included Lebanon and was agreed on behalf of allies.

So if that is what Iran signed up to then there won’t be a ceasefire.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 17:29

Notonthestairs · 08/04/2026 17:07

Yes, I’m aware of that. But clearly the original announcements agreed by Iran and the US included Lebanon and was agreed on behalf of allies.

So if that is what Iran signed up to then there won’t be a ceasefire.

Maybe the US shouldn’t have spoken for Israel. They are two separate countries not one.

Time will tell if Iran break the ceasefire because of Lebanon.

Or if Israel agrees to stop attacking Lebanon during the 2 week ceasefire.

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 19:38

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 17:00

Netanyahu's office doesn't agree as they posted this on X overnight:

Israel supports President Trump's decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks subject to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks on the US, Israel and countries in the region.

Israel also supports the US effort to ensure that Iran no longer poses a nuclear, missile and terror threat to America, Israel, Iran's Arab neighbors and the world.

The United States has told Israel that it is committed to achieving these goals, shares by the US, Israel and Israel's regional allies, in the upcoming negotiations. The two-weeks ceasefire does not include Lebanon.

Israel does not want Lebanon to be included in the ceasefire.
Iran does and states it was part of the ceasefire deal.
Iran says that it won’t open SOH until Israel stops bombing Lebanon.
Unclear messages came from the US about what was in the ceasefire agreement.

Who to believe?

The mediators were Pakistan and said that Israel not continuing to bomb Lebanon (250 people killed there today) was part of the ceasefire agreement.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:46

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 19:38

Israel does not want Lebanon to be included in the ceasefire.
Iran does and states it was part of the ceasefire deal.
Iran says that it won’t open SOH until Israel stops bombing Lebanon.
Unclear messages came from the US about what was in the ceasefire agreement.

Who to believe?

The mediators were Pakistan and said that Israel not continuing to bomb Lebanon (250 people killed there today) was part of the ceasefire agreement.

White House reiterates that Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire

Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire deal and “that has been relayed to all parties”, Leavitt says.

She refers to a statement from Benjamin Netanyahu last night in which the Israeli prime minister said he supports the “efforts” related to the ceasefire and says he will continue to be a key partner in the negotiations.

Asked if Lebanon could potentially join a ceasefire deal, she says:
Again, this will continue to be discussed … but at this point in time they are not included in the ceasefire deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/08/iran-war-ceasefire-live-updates-trump-deadline-middle-east-crisis-latest-news?filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 19:46

US went into the war to support Israel but Israel not willing to support a ceasefire the US wants.

What a mess.

Interesting how Iran seems to be dictating terms despite the rhetoric coming out of the US.

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 19:50

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 19:46

White House reiterates that Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire

Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire deal and “that has been relayed to all parties”, Leavitt says.

She refers to a statement from Benjamin Netanyahu last night in which the Israeli prime minister said he supports the “efforts” related to the ceasefire and says he will continue to be a key partner in the negotiations.

Asked if Lebanon could potentially join a ceasefire deal, she says:
Again, this will continue to be discussed … but at this point in time they are not included in the ceasefire deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/apr/08/iran-war-ceasefire-live-updates-trump-deadline-middle-east-crisis-latest-news?filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-navigation

I know who I believe- Trumps press office following a day of extremes bad press about the ceasefire deal versus Pakistan who says not continuing to bomb Lebanon was part of the ceasefire deal.

Pakistan is a US ally and would have no reason to lie.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 20:01

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 19:50

I know who I believe- Trumps press office following a day of extremes bad press about the ceasefire deal versus Pakistan who says not continuing to bomb Lebanon was part of the ceasefire deal.

Pakistan is a US ally and would have no reason to lie.

Pakistan is no ally of Israel's and is a better ally to Iran than to the US:

Iran–Pakistan relations

Pakistan has also provided support to Iran in the Iran–Israel proxy conflict and served as a mediator in the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict.

Iran has also historically voiced support for Pakistan in the Kashmir conflict with India. After the U.S. complete withdrawal of its troops and the Taliban return to power in the 2020s, Pakistan stepped up cooperation with Iran to promote peace and stability in Afghanistan. Iran has also expressed an interest in joining the China–Pakistan Economic Corridor as part of the larger Belt and Road Initiative.

On the other hand, Pakistan is one of the few countries where Iranian influence is positively received as per polls conducted by the Pew Research Center. Polls have consistently shown that a very high proportion of Pakistanis view their western neighbour positively. Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Khamenei had also called for the sympathy, assistance, and inter-cooperation of all Muslim nations, including Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Pakistan_relations#:~:text=Pakistan%20has%20also%20provided%20support,the%20Kashmir%20conflict%20with%20India.

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 20:19

Yes - they have positive relationships with Iran.

Did you do a similar search for Pakistan’s
relationship with the US under Trump?

Surely this good relationship with both made Pakistan the perfect mediator?

Your belief in the Trump press office is remarkable.

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 20:32

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 20:19

Yes - they have positive relationships with Iran.

Did you do a similar search for Pakistan’s
relationship with the US under Trump?

Surely this good relationship with both made Pakistan the perfect mediator?

Your belief in the Trump press office is remarkable.

Pakistan were a good choice of mediator as evidenced by the fact that a 2 week ceasefire was agreed.

But someone has made a mistake - whether Iran/Pakistan or the US.

I don't think it was Israel since Netanyahu's office has been clear from their first statement that as far as they are concerned, the two-week ceasefire does not include Lebanon.

Which Trump has confirmed today.

Notonthestairs · 08/04/2026 20:47

Pakistan has a mutual defence treaty with Saudi Arabia- it’s absolutely in their interests to pursue peace.

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 21:10

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 20:32

Pakistan were a good choice of mediator as evidenced by the fact that a 2 week ceasefire was agreed.

But someone has made a mistake - whether Iran/Pakistan or the US.

I don't think it was Israel since Netanyahu's office has been clear from their first statement that as far as they are concerned, the two-week ceasefire does not include Lebanon.

Which Trump has confirmed today.

Israel has clearly decided is does not want a ceasefire in Lebanon, although interesting that Netanyahu’s office also originally also seems to have agreed to the ceasefire.

Prime Minister’s Office:

Israel supports President Trump's decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks subject to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks on the US, Israel and countries in the region.

4:06 am · 8 Apr 2026 508.3K* *Views

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041714151374856232?s=20

Prime Minister of Israel (@IsraeliPM) on X

Prime Minister’s Office: Israel supports President Trump's decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks subject to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks on the US, Israel and countries in the region.

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041714151374856232?s=20

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 21:29

Trump seems to have suggested that US could join Iran charging ships a toll to go through the SOH. It would be a “beautiful thing”

“This morning, I asked President Trump if he’s okay with the Iranians charging a toll for all ships that go through the Strait of Hormuz, he told me there may be a Joint US-Iran venture to charge tolls:

“We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture. It’s a way of securing it — also securing it from lots of other people.”

“It’s a beautiful thing”

https://x.com/jonkarl/status/2041839012097229086?s=20

However his press secretary stated later there would be no limitations, no tolls.

Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) on X

This morning, I asked President Trump if he’s okay with the Iranians charging a toll for all ships that go through the Strait of Hormuz, he told me there may be a Joint US-Iran venture to charge tolls: “We’re thinking of doing it as a joint venture. I...

https://x.com/jonkarl/status/2041839012097229086?s=20

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 21:55

Islandsofsand · 08/04/2026 21:10

Israel has clearly decided is does not want a ceasefire in Lebanon, although interesting that Netanyahu’s office also originally also seems to have agreed to the ceasefire.

Prime Minister’s Office:

Israel supports President Trump's decision to suspend strikes against Iran for two weeks subject to Iran immediately opening the straits and stopping all attacks on the US, Israel and countries in the region.

4:06 am · 8 Apr 2026 508.3K* *Views

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/2041714151374856232?s=20

Edited

We can all see the whole thing you know … including the last sentence about the ceasefire not including Lebanon.

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 22:00

Alexandra2001 · 08/04/2026 15:25

Reuters reporting several ships told Hormuz still closed... danger of attack.

Iran has now said it will pull out of ceasefire if Lebanon is still attacked.

Are Hezbollah likely to stick to a deal if the US make Israel?

Do the government of Lebanon have any say or sway with the terrorist organisation Hezbollah that brings mayhem to it's country? Just wondered? The government of Lebanon did condemn Hezbollah attacks on Israel after the war between Iran and The US/Israel started.

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TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 22:43

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 22:00

Are Hezbollah likely to stick to a deal if the US make Israel?

Do the government of Lebanon have any say or sway with the terrorist organisation Hezbollah that brings mayhem to it's country? Just wondered? The government of Lebanon did condemn Hezbollah attacks on Israel after the war between Iran and The US/Israel started.

Edited

Are you suggesting Israel should continue bombing Lebanon?

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 22:52

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 22:43

Are you suggesting Israel should continue bombing Lebanon?

I was quite clearly asking if Hezbollah are likely to stick to a deal and not continue to fire missiles.

I was asking if the government of The Lebanon have any control at all over the terrorist organisation that operates from its country.

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TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 23:00

Does it make dfference in the killing of Lebanese civilians?

In the same way as taking out the IRCG shouldn't mean destroying Iran civilization.

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 23:08

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 23:00

Does it make dfference in the killing of Lebanese civilians?

In the same way as taking out the IRCG shouldn't mean destroying Iran civilization.

Look, I was asking a question. You don't care to answer with your view, preferring to ask your own question back .

I prefer posters who actually answer with their view before asking a question, so I'll move on. Cannot be bothered with people who dont give a view themselves. Others might give a view, whereas you cannot be bothered. No point in engaging (if you can call it that) with questions back, rather than focusing on and discussing question asked first 🙄.

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TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 23:11

Fine, maybe google it Flowers

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 23:40

TopPocketFind · 08/04/2026 23:11

Fine, maybe google it Flowers

😂 google the views of others 🙄 oh my, are you aware its a discussion forum, where people give views 😂😂 are you new to chat forums?

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Islandsofsand · 09/04/2026 03:34

Twiglets1 · 08/04/2026 21:55

We can all see the whole thing you know … including the last sentence about the ceasefire not including Lebanon.

Edited

Yes I saw that subsequently- wishful thinking or great coordination between Trump and Netanyahu on the ceasefire proposal?

Islandsofsand · 09/04/2026 03:44

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 22:00

Are Hezbollah likely to stick to a deal if the US make Israel?

Do the government of Lebanon have any say or sway with the terrorist organisation Hezbollah that brings mayhem to it's country? Just wondered? The government of Lebanon did condemn Hezbollah attacks on Israel after the war between Iran and The US/Israel started.

Edited

Didn’t Hezbollah stop firing into Israel when ceasefire began? They also thought the ceasefire included Israel not bombing them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollah-pauses-attacks-under-us-iran-ceasefire-sources-close-group-say-2026-04-08/

Vance said that there may be a “legitimate misunderstanding” that Iran thought that not bombing Lebanon was included in the ceasefire.

Alexandra2001 · 09/04/2026 06:44

Ihatetomatoes · 08/04/2026 22:00

Are Hezbollah likely to stick to a deal if the US make Israel?

Do the government of Lebanon have any say or sway with the terrorist organisation Hezbollah that brings mayhem to it's country? Just wondered? The government of Lebanon did condemn Hezbollah attacks on Israel after the war between Iran and The US/Israel started.

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I wouldn't know that but Pakistan says Lebanon IS part of the deal, so all comes down to Trump telling Israel to stop.

Lebanese Govt probably has as much sway over Hezbollah as the UK Govt had over the IRA.

Israel brings mayhem to Lebanon, no one else, Israel responds the way it does, even though History shows it makes no longer term difference, they have invaded Lebanon before, 18years and achieved nothing.

The only way for attacks to stop is via negotiation & a peace process, not creating more terrorists by indiscriminate bombing and occupation.

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