@OpenScroller ,
I grew up with my parents telling me exactly the narrative that you wrote on the previous page, but I think that if is really necessary to understand the other side of the story.
I don’t even think it would be good for Israel long term if they just drove the Palestinians away. It would be a stain on Israel and, by extension, on the history of Judaism.
‘Anyway, going back to the premise of the OP. Anybody with a brain, who is not an inbred Jew hater, can clearly see why Israel was and continues to be necessary as a Jewish majority State.
Let's be honest, the question of the legitimacy of any other State already existing for
70 years would never be in question. Only the world's only teeny tiny Jewish State.
There would have been hatred and war wherever they went, as there has been through history. The recreation of a Jewish State on their ancestral lands where there was already an ancient longstanding Jewish presence, and their most Holy sites were located, was common sense.’
I definitely agree with questioning the legitimacy of the state js antisemitic.
However, it was always a messy compromise. There were 750,000 people living there forced off their land. A state between Tanzania and Kenya was considered in the 1920s, so Israel wasn’t always obvious. And Israel is very holy to all three Abrahamic religions. Look at Temple Mount/site of the Golden Dome.
‘The Arabs did not have any sovereignty over the sparsely populated, mostly barren land, and were given the vast majority of it (78%) as Jordan. Getting another 10% was a bonus and lets remember, those Arabs who did not flee in the hope that the fledgling Jewish State would be wiped out in a bloody genocide by 5 established Arab armies, just a few years after the Holocaust, became Israeli citizens and by most accounts are happier to live in Israel than in the surrounding Arab States.
Israel also took in almost a million Jews who had been expelled and persecuted throughout the ME with no UN agency set up to help and become a billion $ industry! Also thousands of Ethiopian Jews who were rescued from persecution in daring missions.’
This is a bit like being forced out of London and told that the Uk is being partitioned and you have from the Midlands upwards and should be grateful! Until recently, I would have agreed about the Arabs being happy in Israel proper. But both the 2018 law and lots of local discrimination (luxury housing developments where only Jews need apply for instance) have kind of changed this.
‘It's also pure delusion to deny the Palestinian identity was created purely to be a thorn in Israel's side and birthed the ideology that created the monsters of the PLO, Hamas and the multiple other Palestinian terrorist factions.’
I don’t know about that. I am not a historical expert. However if your family have farmed olive groves in the West Bank for many generations and you have title deeds, that is both legally and morally your land, and you should be able to live in peace on it and not be harassed by aggressive religious zealots.
‘The fact there are so many, and so many terrorist attacks targeting Jews which reached as far as Europe and Africa, among such a small population should give anybody pause for thought.
Anyone who denies that could perhaps explain why the PLO didn't try to 'liberate' Palestine while the WB & Gaza were illegally occupied by Jordan and Egypt.
The Western supporters of 'Free Palestine' don't seem to understand or care that they also have blood on their hands by supporting and condoning the use of 'Palestinians' as pawns and human sacrifices, for the Arab Muslim obsession of destroying Israel with generations of children indoctrinated from toddlers to aspire to die as a martyr while slaughtering Jews, to love death more than they love life.
It is the most evil, deranged collusion in human history after he Holocaust IMO and would never have gained ground if it wasn't against Jews.’
Again some truth to all the above. But a lot of Israeli education is also pretty indoctrinating, especially in the religious communities. It just encourages a cycle of hatred.
‘What's also completely ignored about Israel is how amazingly successful it became in such a short space of time, with no natural resources to rely on in contrast to high GDP Arab States in the region. It has relied almost completely on brain power and is literally a marvel of innovation and creativity. We should be lauding it and learning from it, especially it's agri and water tech’
Again true, up to a point. But, no young country has had anywhere near the contributions from outside that Israel has. The U.S has paid handsomely for her projection of power in the Middle East.
I spent some time on a Kibbutz as a teenager and the community spirit was impressive. Israel was based on European liberal Jewry, and thrived on that educated tolerant culture. The new settlers are nothing like that. They are brash, ill educated and racist, and they have 4-6 kids per couple (rest of Israel is less than replacement). It is a dangerous time for Israel.