Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Whose fault is it that Israel are giving guns, cars and aid to the militia? Not the starving people of Gaza that's for sure.

While Israel and their online defenders were screeching about aid been stolen by Hamas this militia that Israel have helped form were "the most influential stakeholders behind the systematic and massive looting of convoys". Then Israel stop all aid because apparently Hamas were stealing it all, Greta and Co set sail for Gaza and get hateful abuse from the very same Israel supporters that helped spin the lie that Hamas were stealing the aid and now this militia are living the life of luxury whilst people starve around them.

So to answer your question I would say it's Israel and their supporters fault. Together they've helped them steal aid, they spun and spread lies to stop aid from getting into Gaza to up the value of the aid and therefore the influence of this Israeli supported militia.

Israel offered to distribute the aid to who? The militia?

Love it ... now they have Greta who refuses a quick deportation and then complains the seats are too hard in prison and she has a rash.

The level of bile with which some posters on here attack Greta Thunberg is shocking. There are 500 members of the flotilla. This fixation on a young 22 year old autistic woman is really unhealthy and the name calling is the nastiest I’ve read on Mumsnet. Really horrible. Anyone would think she had committed a genocide.

https://x.com/IsraelMFA/status/1970473004770504901?t=bLjpeakXxVu1xXIDdpSudA&s=19

She has appointed herself as the mascot.

If she didn’t want this to happen she maybe should’ve chosen an experienced and unknown aid worker, but nooooo. She has used her profile to do something silly, dangerous and that jeopardises the fragile peace talks that Gazans so desperately want to work.

I don’t care

She is the figurehead so will naturally attract the most attention as well as being used as a shorthand to describe the flotilla and people on it.

I think some are disappointed because she seemed principled as an environmentalist but now looks more like your generic self-important rabble-rouser.

I think you are getting a bit more aerated on her behalf than is really necessary, she is bound to attract criticism, much of which is perfectly justifiable although you may not agree with it.

That doesn't say who they are going to deliver it to.

Repeatedly personally attacking one member of the flotilla who is peaceful and well meaning, figurehead or not, is just nasty. If this was the aim of the thread, why not make it clear on the initial post?

Is she peaceful? Her social media is awash with distasteful and incendiary comments about Jews that she does nothing to fix, calling for the destruction and mass deportations from the only Jewish country in the world. This is her ‘army’ and she’s happy to be at the helm.

Greta was filmed giggling and saying “fuck Germany … and fuck Israel” at a rally in December 2024.

I wouldn’t personally ever say “Fuck …” about a whole country full of individual people but that’s up to her.

She’s entitled to say that but if she can disrespect the whole of Israel and Germany, she has harsh opinions herself and is not afraid to voice them.

She is 22 years old. She is autistic. This is mumsnet. Many of us have daughters her age, perhaps autistic daughters. I’ve read enough gritty fights here between posters but that’s different.

So? Despite being autistic she has far more money, privilege and platform than we ever will. She’s appointed herself as an activist. She’s an intelligent, astute woman. Being 22 and autistic doesn’t make her a child.

Its aid, who do you think they were going to deliver it to?

Well Greta was complaining about the food in prison so maybe she needs some 🤷🏼‍♀️

@CrossCheckingleavibg Greta to one side I would assume the pope was pretty clear who the aid would go to?

@Ellen2shoeskindly as a mum of children (now grown up) with autism I also know that it can lead to hyper focus and obsession. As a parent you advise them especially as if it puts them in harms way.
I hope her embassy is doing it all it can to persuade her to leave.

Did you not read the article Sharon? The GHF provide aid too and that goes to Netanyahus new militia. You know the militia responsible for massive looting, the looting Netanyahu and posters here blamed on Hamas, the reason Israel and posters here gave for starving innocent Palestinians?

Nevermind the fact that clearly Israel aren't very trust worthy are they, they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies after all.

@CrossCheckingare you saying Hamas never loot aid?
There are many reasons posters may be pro Israel that you haven’t covered!

I didn't say that but systemic looting by Hamas was the reason Israel gave for stopping all aid into Gaza in March. The UN said Hamas aren't systematically stealing aid and we're called liars, people said that they worked for Hamas, even the US government found that there was no evidence of Hamas benefitting from aid. It was Netanyahus militia who were stealing huge amounts of aid, obviously being connected to Netanyahu he knew this. It was an outright lie that Hamas were behind it used as an excuse to starve the population of Gaza.

There are many more reasons pro Israel posters defended the starvation of Gaza, what were they?

Well they’ve distributed it to Israelis!

What does ' they played pro Israel posters here into defending mass starvation with their lies' mean? Sorry, I'm not following.

@CrossCheckingthe last part of your quote is not what I said.

Oh I presumed you were confused because nowhere did I mention anything as being a reason people are pro Israel. So your post made no sense in the context of mine.